It started simply enough: Oh look – a great car to photograph for a CC. And then I saw the sign – Asking price of only $2100. All it took was a playful picture text message to my oldest son Jimmy. You see, Jimmy is on the hunt for his first car. Jimmy’s excited reaction suddenly changed the course of my Sunday afternoon a couple of weeks ago.
The Plymouth Satellite of these years was always a turkey, even when new. Poor Chrysler was always a generation behind GM and Ford in styling in those years. In the second half of the 1960s, as GM and Ford set the styles with fluid fastbacks, Chrysler was there with angular cars that appealed to those still stuck in 1963. When the 1971 Satellite appeared, it appeared that Chrysler had, for a change, caught the wave with a car that was as hip and mod as Richard Petty’s sideburns.
Unfortunately, Ford and GM were about to go all-in on the brougham look – formal, dignified and luxurious. Was there ever a car less equipped to “go brougham” than the 71-72 Satellite? It wasn’t just the looks. Plush carpet and woodgrain were “in”, but there was none of it to be found in the Satellite. There was simply nothing luxurious about this car. Even the name seemed out of date by 1974. Chrysler must have agreed, because the car would come back in 1975 with a comb-over and a new leisure suit as the new “small Fury”.
In truth, this was always one of my least favorite cars from the Mopar torsion bar era. It wasn’t just the homely styling. The post-1970 B body offered one of the flimsiest feeling bodies that Chrysler ever built. The door slam sounded terrible, the long hood was wavy and the sheetmetal surface would quiver as you drove down the road. I much preferred the earlier generation and when these were plentiful, I stayed away.
By 1974, the stylists did their best to square-up the styling (partly necessitated by the federal requirement for the 5 mph bumpers) so that the car would look a little more fashionable. The 1971-72 design may not have been everyone’s cup of tea, but there was at least a theme, a concept that was carried out fairly successfully. The 1973-74 restyle, particularly on the sedans, was a hash. Actually, these probably never looked better than when in full police trim.
My mother was in the market for a new mid sized sedan in 1974 to replace the ’72 Cutlass two door that had become impractical with two growing teenagers and their friends. Like any self-respecting car-crazy fifteen year old, I did my best to steer her towards what I liked best. I considered it a great personal triumph when I was able to get her to at least drive into the local Chry-Ply dealer. Sure, the Satellite was the weak link of the lineup (the Fury was much more appealing), but maybe I could upsell her once we got there. She took one look at the baby blue Satellite sedan nearest the entrance and drove right back out without ever stopping the car. Oh well. It’s not like a gander inside the car would have changed her mind. After a near-deal on a Gran Torino, she ended up with a maroon Luxury LeMans. Even I had to admit that it was a much more appealing car.
Time, however, is the great equalizer. Deep down, the Mopar DNA was intact, and the running gear proved to make up for the all too apparent shortcomings of the bodies of these cars. You could make a case that one of these would be a pretty good daily driver today out of all of the choices available, if simplicity and durability is your thing.
But back to this particular Satellite. I got Jimmy and brought him back to take a look. This car had all the marks of an honest long term ride of an old man. The small town dealer sticker, the bracket for the CB radio, and the 91K indicated on the odometer. Just enough rust to show that the car was original, and only a single split in the seat vinyl. Suddenly, I was mentally back in 1980. Funny thing, though, this car was much more appealing to me than it had been at that time. Here I was, ready to snag myself a B body with a V8. And Jimmy was excited too. Was this Burn Notice Charger-on-the-cheap too good to be true?
We called the owner. A while later in the afternoon, we met. He had picked the car up from an elderly lady about a year ago and had not really driven it much. He didn’t want to believe me when I suggested that the upholstery was not really leather. A chill went down my spine as I turned the key and heard the “Na-Rayre – deeer-deeer-deeer-Vroom”, one of my favorite sounds from my youth. But this was where the honeymoon ended and where the car went from the perfectly functioning car in my mind’s eye to a four wheeled Butterball. It was even the same color.
Part of my car problem is that when I see something like this, I expect what should be, and not necessarily what is most likely. For some irrational reason, I automatically expect that the car will run and drive just like it would have when it was, say, 7 or 10 years old. But it is not 1980 anymore. “Maybe if it warms up, it will smooth out”, I thought. We took it out. I had forgotten how light the full-time power steering was. Bad tires that thumped, a slight pull to the right, and an engine that ran so rough it was impossible to tell how the Torqueflite was shifting.
The shiny carburetor and ignition modules told me that someone had tried and failed to fix the awful-running 318. No smoke or knocking, though. I figured that this, like all things, was fixable. But how and at what cost? Jimmy, you see, is a college sophomore. He likes the idea of an old car, but did not grow up yearning to feel a wrench in his hand. He would help me occasionally, but only when asked and never with much interest or natural aptitude. He is a sports communications major and knows his way around a football formation or a page of basketball stats like nobody else I know. But an old car? This would be a simple car to learn on, and if it were me as a college sophomore, I would have been all over it. But was this really what he wants to do? We reluctantly agreed that this car was kind of like the puppy that a six-year-old begs for: we both kind of knew who would end up taking care of it. Somewhere out there is another car that will better suit his needs.
So, sadly, I forced myself back from 1980 to 2011. In Jimmy’s words, this one was not really plug and play. Neither of us has the time to tackle this project. Maybe another $150 in parts would bring the reluctant 318 back to its old self, or maybe getting the old girl to run properly would be the first of many time consuming and expensive challenges. So, for 2011 at least, our golden thanksgiving turkey will be of the edible variety, and not this elderly Plymouth.
I must finish now, because staring at these pictures is starting to make me go wobbly again. So I will push myself away from the computer and start thinking of what needs to be done in the kitchen. I am just afraid that a look at tomorrow’s fresh-from-the-oven turkey will get me thinking about this old Satellite all over again. Happy thanksgiving, everyone.
















First off, let me wish all my American friends a Happy Thanksgiving. We had ours six weeks ago. The good news I’m a die hard NFL fan. I’m planning a crock pot stew and a day of Football.
A 74 Sebring for $2100. Am I seeing and Indiana plate? Either you guys don’t use salt,or that old Mopar has never seen winter….wow.
Anyway…a little TLC and that old 318 would purr like a kitten. With a light foot you could get 22 mpg.
I see your point. If the young guy is not into wrenching its not the car for him.
Still, IMHO, thats a pretty cool C.C.
Don’t encourage me, Mikey
You are right, this car is amazingly un-rusty for this area. However, there is a bit more rust than shows well on the pictures. There was a decent sized hole in the lower right rear quarter, and that rust high on the left quarter near the bumper is from the inside out. I tried to get a look from inside, but the trunk latch wouldn’t release, which was one more strike against it.
JP, You nailed it. These cars look their best in police livery.
Great heads up photo shoot !
I think passing up this car is a missed opportunity. Its probably just either a vacuum line (one of the billions in a ’74 anything) or at worst a dropped valve. 318′s are everywhere, and an engine swap would have it running perfectly.
But I understand what you’re saying. I know what will happen, you’ll buy your son the Plymouth, it won’t run right, he will ‘borrow’ your modern car to get to school, you will need transportation and be forced to fix his plymouth. The end result, is you will have given him your 10-20K newish car, making the deal much worse.
Funnily enough, this works the other way too, with a young car geek and a father who doesn’t like doing his own wrenching. My parents talked me into trading my ’65 Corvair in on a very sensible 3 year old 1991 Honda Civic, with a car payment attached. I resented the car payment, and although the 1991 Hondas were probably the pinnacle of automotive build quality, a standard never to be reached again, I just didn’t like the thing. So when the brakes needed doing, and because it was a Honda, the price was $700, my dad ‘agreed’ to take over the car and payments, and would give me $800 to buy, what he termed my taste in cars “a big old ugly car.” (He has only driven Toyotas, except for a brief flirtation with a K car, which only reaffirmed his hatred towards all things Detroit)
So, my 18 year old self grabbed the money and then found my dream car in the ads in the local paper (remember those?)
1970 Plymouth Sport Fury. 383. 1 owner. looks good, runs good $850obo. (816)555-5555
I then whined at my mom to drive me all the way from Johnson County to North Kansas City by Worlds of Fun, where my dream barge awaited. I somehow failed to mention the details of the car, except that it was a grandmother’s car, like my Grandma’s Century, so it would be safe.
It was in similar condition to the satellite above, and in a slightly darker shade of ‘metallic poop’. Or Bronze as its now called. It had a brown vinyl roof, hidden headlamps behind doors that when WHUMP when you turned the lights off, perfect vinyl interior, and that 383…. Wow. My first proper muscle car- even with the hood bulges with indicators and ’383 Commando’ written on the sides. It was fast- stupid fast, and far faster than its drum brakes could handle, making it interesting when I moved to Colorado. Being a 4 door hardtop, the insurers just saw ‘old lady car’ instead of the 330hp monster it was.
My mother and father were disgusted when I bought it, although my dad was very happy to get my nearly perfect Honda, which he continues to drive to this day. It is important to reflect on the mid-90s, when Hondas were really thought of as Junior Mercedeses, and muscle cars were just ‘Al Bundy’ cars. In other words, white trash heaps that clutter the lawn. My dad said that the Plymouth on the driveway took 20K off the value of the house.
I wish I still had that Fury- it would be worth substantially more than the $800 I paid today in its condition. I sold it because it started running poorly, like the Sattelite. Further reading indicates it was nothing more than a sunken float in the carb.
The moral of the story- bypass your son; buy him a 1990s Celica or something, and then buy the Satellite for yourself. You know you want to, otherwise you wouldn’t have devoted so much time to the article.
I am sure that I would have loved your Fury. I had a 71 Scamp the same color. As late as 1996 I was driving a 68 Newport Custom as my daily driver. A good running 383 is a beautiful thing to experience. I have never owned a fuselage C body. I tried once in college when I found a beautiful 70 Newport 2 door but I was in college and too broke to buy it.
You are correct that this car is still tugging at me. However, Jimmy and I have moved on and are flirting with a case of Panther Love.
My brother is a lifelong Mopar “freak” – until recently, he refused to drive anything else. Two of his favorite cars were ’71 Satellites – both powered by 318 CID V-8′s. One, a black 3-speed “stripper”, he drove until the body fell off. He loved it because it looked like a cop car – no chrome, hub caps, vinyl bench interior. It was a John Wayne car – tough as hell, wouldn’t take no $#!+…
The other was a ’71 Satellite Sebring – white over black with a white bucket interior, with a torqueflite. The rust monster was still eating it when another driver creamed it.
He also had a 71 Polara 2-dr. – same 318/auto combo. Had some “special” gearing – this one was a missle, would go well over double double-nickel. Dad convinced him to sell it “before you kill yourself”. Then there was his ’72 Fury 4-dr. even experimenting with exotic fuel additives couldn’t kill it’s 360/4V motor – but running off of a rural road when he missed that curve and rolling it 2 or 3 times finally did.
A nice 70 Sport Fury for $800 !!!! Lucky guy!
My goodness, these things were all over the road in the early 1970′s in California when I was in the service. If they weren’t in CHP livery, they were all mist green. Where did you find a tan one?
It’s a shame they didn’t last long, as they may have qualified for “Cockroach of the Road”© status back then!
These were also like birds – “cheap, cheap, cheap”! At least the doors didn’t sound as muffled/spongy as on the Dusters/Darts!
I actually liked these things because of their simplicity, as I got to ride in one every so often when I hitched a ride somewhere when I didn’t have a car, or just didn’t feel like driving to town that day – can you say “bored”?
©geozinger
It would be an interesting project to get that baby back into working condition. OTOH, it would be a terrible car for a kid. Not only are there mechanical problems, but let’s face it there have been a lot of worth while innovations over the years, like airbags and anti-lock brakes. A ten year old Camcord would be a much better buy, with airbags, and modern crash worthiness.
As a chronic buyer of tired-but-serviceable cars of questionable desireability that you like for hard-to-decipher reasons, you made the right choice, JP.
There is a fine line between buying a driver that just needs some heavyish tinkering and buying a royal pain in the ass. I’ve done both, and you don’t want any part of the latter.
Sigh, JP. Good work as always. I recognize all the bittersweet feelings here. Part of me thinks that if this car was a two-door ’75 “Small Fury” in a pleasant dark blue or green, you guys would be elbows-deep in 318 over the holiday weekend.
JP, I understand…I’ve been there.
I have two project vehicles – a ’57 Chevy and a ’68 Chevy Truck…both will get a Gen III/IV drivetrain and brake/suspension upgrades to make them hopefully as reliable and economical as they will be enjoyable. And they will be driven regularly.
It’s easy to look at that Satellite and mentally go back 25 years to when this was still a good used car. But today, even in this condition, whoever buys this car should plan on some major mechanical work if the final goal is fun, reliable transportation.
Al Bundy gives this car two thumbs up.
Al Bundy has a new name and is now married to Sofia Vergara. Somehow, I just can’t see her in this car…
How Al Bundy ended up with Sofia Vergara is a mystery to me…
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I’m spoiled, I expect more rust free than that since I’ve been living in NM since 2001.
This could be a good project but I don’t know about “daily driver” right away. You’re right the fixes could be alot of things. (Personally I’m envisioning a 360 swap and dual exhausts.)
Nice write-up. I understand the temptation and the reason for saying “no.”
When I was a kid, these (along with the Dodge counterpart) always seemed to be police cars or fleet cars for the local utility (our town was too small to have taxi service). Not many individuals owned them. People overwhelmingly preferred the GM intermediates, with the Ford Torino and Mercury Montego coming in a distant second.
A neighbor owned a 1973 Satellite in this color, but with a matching (not black) vinyl roof. Within two years, every single body panel except the roof had a fairly large dent.
Another neighbor had a 1971 Dodge Coronet sedan, in light metallic blue with a black vinyl roof. What I remember about it was the noise level on the highway. It was noisier than our 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88 Holiday sedan, which was older and lacked a B pillar.
Overall, I’d take a GM intermediate (particularly the Cutlass Supreme) or one of the Ford Motor Company twins before I’d go for one of these. The GM cars had better handling and a more “modern” look, while the Fords went all-out for the Brougham look and feel. These Mopars were neither fish nor fowl – they weren’t particularly luxurious or plush, as the Fords could be, but they didn’t offer a decent combination of ride and handling, unlike their GM counterparts.
When my wife and I first got married (1991), her maiden aunt had a ’73 or ’74 Mopar wagon with something like 12,000 miles on the clock. We wanted to buy it from her (or, if we could play our cards right, have her give it to us), thinking what a hoot it would be to have a big old wagon to drive. As it turned out, she got rid of it before we had a chance to make a play for it. We did wind up getting a Caprice wagon that was a pretty good car. (And moved to Wisconsin, where the winter road salt would have eaten the Mopar in a couple of years, and did its best to eat the Chevy.)
It is almost absolutely definitely the heat riser passages in the intake manifold, a common affliction in all LA blocks. Easiest is replace the manifold, easy on these old cars, like $150 for parts and only simple tools.
Option 2 is a rebuild, done no problem for $1500. LA blocks are really easy to rebuild.
Yeah but if you rebuilt the engine in it you’d have $3500 into your $200 dollar car.
Another possibility is that a pushrod has broken through a rocker arm. It’s happened to three 318′s I’ve had – a ’70 Fury III, a ’72 Satellite 2-door (stripper model, not the Sebring. Had a Duster steering wheel and black floormat), and an ’87 Diplomat ex-squad. If it’s an intake valve it’ll simply run on 7 cylinders, but if it’s an exhaust valve, trust me, EVERYONE will notice (or is it the other way around?). No power whatsoever, and it’ll sound like someone’s popping corn under your hood, but a heck of a lot louder.
You are correct those engines loved to poke pushrods through the rockers, and if it was the exhaust then you had real problems as the exhaust tried to make it’s way back out the intake valve contaminating the charge for the next cyls that were going to open their valves.
I feel your pain, I too am constantly tempted. Jimmy’s got more important things to learn now, better to learn to wrench on old cars once he’s graduated.
Was just discussing this issue last night with Mrs DougD, we’re 8 years away from this situation but a co-worker just bought an AWD M-B for college age daughter (to be safe). We figure the appropriate vehicle is a 5 year old Ford Focus with a 5-speed and snowtires…
I joke sometimes that my son’s first vehicle will be my 1994 Dodge pickup. By the time he needs his own vehicle, it will be about 30 years old.
Id have trouble walking away from that one hardly any rust and if smoke isnt billowing out of it there aint much wrong that cant be sorted out at home.
A nice Thanksgiving treat!
Had a ’77 Fury Salon I bought from work. A former rental car. Large cars (and trucks) are not my thing, but this car turned out to be one of the best I’ve ever owned. Comfortable front seats far beyond expectations for a mid-70′s car. Reliable, easy to fix 318/Torqueflite. Cadet Blue metallic. My friends thought I was nuts (and maybe still do!), but it served me well as a beater. I miss the sound of that starter!
Someone ran into it outside my house, and though the insurance company “totaled it”, I got it repaired; years later rust got into the damaged areas, and I let go of the car.
JP, great story and photos, and I’m getting a little wobbly too!
My parents owned a 1976 Cordoda which was really just a B body coupe. It had a 360 and was fairly reliable for the 10 years they owned it. My brother bought it from them and kept it for 6 years. It was ultimately killed by rust and the smog laws in CA.
Lt Frank Drebins car on Police Squad no?
Hey, if the 318 is sick, its just that easier to stick a nice 440 in there.
Greedy puke.
Sell the dern’ thing fer’ $200 so as to allow a fellow human critter a few bucks to perhaps get some cheap transpo.
Plymouth sure puts the frump in frumpy.
Have never been a fan of 70s Mopars. My grandmother had a puke gold ’71 Fury II that was by every definition a POS. She loaned it out to my mother when we visited on vacation in 1974, and we absolutely hated it. Three years old, and it was already falling apart. Our 10-year-old Impala back home was much more solid, rattle-free and drove far better. Horrible, horrible car.
My other grandmother had a ’72 Valiant, and while it too was frumpy as all get out, with the good old Slant Six, it was at least decent. We borrowed that one in 1981. Surprisingly, the Fury was still limping along, but we wanted nothing to do with it.
I’ve always been a big fan of the fuselage Mopars, except these. These things got slammed with 5 MPH tacked on bumpers, a stricter round of emissions controls and the competition becoming much stiffer going into the heights of the great brougham era. As noted, they did not translate well going into the brougham era, but they were an honest set of wheels. When running well, the 318′s and 360′s were the match of any other Detroit V8, and little handled as well as the torsion bar suspension.
I guess Ma Mopar at the time didn’t have the funds to restyle, at least the sedans. The Fury Coupe that came out in 75 was an improvement, and the Cordoba was a knockout. The sedans trundled on apparently loved by few. Except law enforcement…
Back in the mid-late 80′s, a buddy of mine and I raced a number of these fuselage bodied Mopars in a hobby-street-stock class at a few local dirt tracks in Northeast Ohio. We were sponsored by a rural Dodge dealer up the road from us who would shovel us all the parts we could eat. It was great! The best thing was we had a 440 big block that slid into each one of these cars. And it looked bone stock! Hehehehehe…
The torsion bar suspensions were super easy to set up for that kind of racing, and the Mopars were lighter (generally) than the competing GM’s & Fords of the day. The 440 would actually rev pretty well for a warmed over big block. We didn’t win a lot of races, but we consistently placed well throughout the season.
It might be hard for some people to understand why I like these old beasts. But only on the race track…
it makes sense.
I am from NEO, and Twinsburg Stamping had meets often, so a Mopar connection is definitely evident there.
Good post!
Boy, this would be tough for me to pass up at $2100.
I would buy it, blow it up in a few weeks, drop in a new engine, blow that one up eventually, then get tired of it and sell it for $500 or less.
This must be the year for these things to come out of hiding. I found and shot it’s Dodge cousin this past summer, and was going to do a CC on it but then my Dad fell ill so I spent the summer looking after him.
If enough people ask, I might still try and do something with this one…
This looks curiously similar in the central cabin area to the 1970s Chrysler Valiant in Australia
http://www.chargerclubofwa.asn.au/modelspotlight/CM5.jpg
The Brady Bunch had Satellite wagons, instead of a biggie. Maybe a better fit for inside a studio!
My mom’s second car was a mid-70s Dodge Coronet sedan, which had he same body as this Satellite. I think it was a ’73. It was metallic rootbeer brown with black interior, and also had the 318. I remember my dad saying that the transmission shifted really mushy compared to other Torqueflites. He took it to a tranny shop and they said “yeah all the new ones shift lousy like this”. They replaced the valvebody with one from an older transmission and he was much happier.
It had the bodywork freshened-up and a repaint once while they owned it. The firewall rusted through, at which point my dad said it was time to go. They gave it to my cousin to cannibalize for parts for a Charger Super Bee he was working on. That was in 1986. My parents replaced it with a brand new Aerostar. A lousy vehicle which I’ve discussed here before.
A few years ago at a swap meet was a guy selling a Coronet/Satellite sedan of similar vintage with a factory 400cid big block stuffed under the hood. It had been his uncle’s car. It was in need of a repaint but appeared to be well taken care of. I forget what he was asking, but it wasn’t astronomical. I kept thinking that it could be a great “sleeper” if the engine was freshened-up and all the emissions equipment removed.
An acquaintance of mine recently purchased a 318-powered Satellite wagon in really nice condition. It’s a real stripper with 3 on the tree and radio delete. It’s now his summer daily driver.
Lots of people trying to find something to love about this car. But they were never anything more than practical transportation. The comments about heat riser passages and broken rocker arms are probably on the right track. I was thinking that this thing is so lightly used that the engine is pretty sludged up. There could be a valve stuck open. A couple of treatments with AutoRX and some spirited full throttle/high speed operation (AKA Italian tune-up) would likely work wonders. I personally prefer well maintained high-mile used cars over low-miles. Fewer problems.
I have long been suspicious of low mileage cars being the result of not being very pleasant to drive. OR B, the result of having spent so much time in need of one repair or another.
If a car has gotten someone 100,000 miles or more, it has to be capaple of doing something right hopefully.
Ugly, awful car. Only under its Fury Sport/Salon guise did it halfway redeem itself. Mopar mid-size models have always been the least competitive in their whole lineup. Cirrus/Stratus came close, but were hampered by shitty quality. The 68-70 models were the best looking and had the best engines, but that didn’t last long.
In Spring 76-early 77 I knew someone who bought the , Uh Sport Fury or was it Dodge Chargen SE Model, Silver with Black viynl top, I asked WTH,WHy THIS car? NEW? 5200 or 4600 I cant recall, but he liked mopars, family? over GM, Ford… i think it would have been at least a gran cheaper than a Cutlass or Monte Carlo.
But TO ME, I’d have preferred a Firebird Espirit Bluebird. o Redbird or yellowbird, or a Formula, just no screamin chicken on mine please.
Even long before 1974, starting in 1968 or was it 58, Plymouth was a step back, beyond Frumpy.
A 74 Dodge Coronet 2 seat wagon in medium blue was the first car I drove with my father. It was his company car.
It was almost identical, but somehow the Dodge looked a world more 1974 instead of Grampa’s car.Even long before 1974, starting in 1968 or was it 58, Plymouth was a step back, beyond Frumpy.
A 74 Dodge Coronet 2 seat wagon in medium blue was the first car I drove with my father. It was his company car.
It was almost identical, but somehow the Dodge looked a world more 1974 instead of Grampa’s car.
2 weeks into my driving lessons, a Mist Green Royal Monaco 3 seat wagon 76, appeared one day as Dad drove up, his replacement Company car.
It was Faster, but I almost lost the tail end making a 90 degree turn in lesson #4… lesson learned.
I liked the newer one way better, with its silvery green viynl “leather-look” and flat rocker switches for the p/windows. Obsessed with power windows, I can still long for those switches.
a 74 satellite was my first car, my dad bought it for me from a church member who worked at the Chrysler testing grounds. he got this twinkle in his eye when he told me, it meant this was something good, and perhaps a bit verboten. i kept hearing the word “sleeper”, something about “special adjustments”. i had a 45 min. commute each way to get to college. yes even though i now drive a mini (fab!), there is still a very warm place in my heart for that car, i dreamt about it, and did paintings of it. the B52′s mentioned it in Planet Claire. i loved that car.
Yeah, the B-52′s did mention this car on “Planet Claire”. which was hilarious since my moms owned it and her name IS Claire”. She bought it from a coworker and I learned to drive in that car. I only found this pic and site because I was hoping to find one for sale somewhere. I dont care what anybody else says, this car was fast enough and it had 2 personalities. When mom took her out for a spin she drove slow and steady. When I took her out…..lookout a race car was on the loose! Sure it wasnt as fast as some of the cars I raced from a red light, but it won its fair share. I loved racing those Japanese 4 or 6 cylinders who thought they would smoke the big four door! What happed was they’d get off to a quick start but as soon as they had to shift, it was bye bye. I WANT THIS CAR WITH A 383 V8! A 318 will do but man o man i did love this car. By the way she bought it used at 2 years old with under 10K miles for about $1,500! Go Plymouth! Yeah, I know, Plymouth no longer exists…