The Great Fastback Epoch swept across America like so many sudden feverish automotive (and food) fads, unleashed by the 1963 Sting Ray. Some were good, like the Corvette; others middling. But way too many were atrocious like the Marlin, rushed attempts to graft a fastback roof on a sedan body, a recipe with very poor odds of success. American fastbacks too often were like American pizza: an over-sized and over-laden pathetic imitation of the original. Well, the Italians had a head start, and for them fastbacks were hardly a new fad, but a staple of their automotive diet; one they had long perfected. A very tasty example of that is this delectable Fiat Dino GT Coupe, whipped up by the master fastback chef himself, Giorgetto Giugiaro.
These cars make an interesting comparison on a number of criteria, but let’s start with the fact that both of them were germinated and birthed about the same time, the Marlin arriving in ’66 and the Fiat Dino GT in ’67. On second thought, let’s end this exercise right there, and move on, because these cars really have no basis for comparison, except to explain to folks who think I’m overly harsh on the Marlin’s styling.
I sure wasn’t eating genuine Neapolitan wood-fire cooked pizza in Towson in 1967, but I was savoring the visual delights coming from Italy at the time, and they rather spoiled me for the Detroit (or Kenosha) imitations. The 1967 Lamborghini Marzal by Marcello Gandini of Bertone was my lust object that year. Sorry, Marlin and company.
The Fiat Dino GT came out of the same Bertone studios as the Marzal that year, although by different hands. But the fact that Gandini and Giugiaro were both working under the same roof then was apparent in their rooflines. Obviously, the Marzal was a show car, although it was realized quite faithfully in the Espada, except the glass doors of course.
Giugiaro’s task for the Fiat Dino GT was a bit more down-to-earth: a production coupe at a semi-affordable price (Porsche 911 territory, if I remember right). And as was often the case at the time, Bertone got the contract for the Coupe,
while Pininfarina was given the contract for Spider. Which explains why they look nothing alike. In a way, just explaining the existence and provenance of either of these cars is not totally simple, but then that can be the Italian way.
These cars, along with the legendary Dino 206 GT were intended to be part of a new “Dino” brand; below Ferrari and above Fiat. One of the reasons for the Fiat versions was to have a larger base of cars to install the 2.0 L V6 in order to homologate it for Formula 2. The branding plan died largely at the hands of American Ferrari dealers who didn’t want to sully the Ferrari brand equity and/or have “Fiats” sully their showrooms. So the Dino 206 GT was essentially sold as a Ferrari, but without the actual name on it (most have had it added), and the Coupe and Spider arrived as Fiats, although with the exact same genuine Ferrari-built engine and other components.
In fact, the later 2.4 liter version, of which this car is one of, were actually assembled in Maranello alongside genuine Ferraris, after the bodies were shipped there from Bertone and Pininfarina. Which helps explain why so many owners of these cars re-badged them as Ferraris. This coupe sported a full set of Ferrari badges and emblems, replacing all the Fiat markings. It is being re-branded as a Fiat, to prepare it for its sale, which happened shortly after I shot it. A rather pathetic bit of insecurity, but then Fiat’s brand name has been anything but associated with finer and more expensive cars in the US, unlike in Europe. This car is also missing its original bumpers.
I will grant that the Marlin was undoubtedly the roomier of the two. My efforts to slip behind the wheel and get comfortable were stymied by the steering wheel’s typical old-school Italian position very close to the dash, which with the seat slid way back, made it a very distant object, and one that also crimped my leg against the console.
Roy Abernathy would not have been pleased, never mind the much more cozy rear seats.
The DOHC alloy V6 that motivates these cars is a delectable piece of Italian alloy-ware, and its habits are easily discerned just by a glance at the tach: the red zone begins at 8,000 rpm. In today’s world, not that impressive; in 1966, that was quite likely the highest of any production car engine in the world.
It starts with the snarl of a cornered small mammal with teeth, and the obligatory blipping of the six Weber throttle plates brings all kinds of lovely nervous crescendos from the Abarth exhausts. A high strung creature indeed.
The Cromodora alloys are 14 x 6, tiny by today’s standards. Plenty of sidewall rubber showing, and to absorb the rough spots. And with the later 2.4 version’s independent rear suspension borrowed from the big Fiat 130, the Dino Coupe supposedly rides quite nicely, and makes a pleasant Grand Tourer.
This example was at Bob Marcherione’s Sports Car Shop getting its Ferrari badges replaced with Fiat ones, and being prepped for a sale on Ebay, where it fetched about $18k. Needless to say, I fell in love with it all over when I first saw it, and my enabler/life partner was almost encouraging me on.
But when Bob offered to drive it across the street for me for some curbside shots, all the blipping and smoking from the exhausts gave me the willies. No, I don’t have the time to learn how to keep three double-barrel Webers synchronized. Pass. But not without some minor pangs. And those were evaporated when I tried to get comfortable behind the wheel. Maybe a Marlin makes more sense after all, especially a six cylinder version with a one barrel carb.























Good thing you were able to resist. Italian cars are like mistresses.
Someone with long arms and short legs (like myself) would fit right? GAWWD I WANT.
The trick to understanding Italian car ergonomics is to know that they drive holding the wheel below center, not above. Grab the wheel at 4 and 8 o’clock, and suddenly it makes sense. (Well, maybe not sense, but at least it becomes clearer.)
That means I too would fit perfectly in this car, just like the rest of my family and pets, Lawrence. D*MN I REALLY WANT ONE OF THESE SOOO BAD!!!
I’m struck by how nicely-organized the engine compartment looks (even leaving aside that it’s been restored and prepped for sale). Now if you can find a Fiat 8V…
I’m pretty sure there’s an 8V at the Blackhawk museum (there was one the last time I went) and I’m planning a visit soon. Not exactly “curbside”, but I’ll try to get some decent pics.
What a fantastic car. A real beauty but I think the running costs would keep me out of it even if I fit. Probably a Fiat 124 Coupé makes more sense if there is any left.
My sister’s buddy had a brand-new Fiat 128… cute car… but all I remember was how it was always breaking down… luckily, she had my sister as a best friend (sis owned a new Toyota Corolla!).
“the red zone begins at 8,000 rpm. In today’s world, not that impressive; in 1966, that was quite likely the highest of any production car engine in the world.”Quote
The Honda s600 was produced from ’64 and the s800 from ’66 and either would rev higher than the Dino.
Your mistake was in trying to get comfy behind the wheel. You don’t have to drive it , just looking at it is enough to justfy the price.
Wrap it up nice Ill have it very nice car and obviously styled by somebody who knew what they were doing it gives the marlin a hearse like profile in comparism, it must be the fault of your site Paul old Ramblers are coming out of the woodwork on our local auction site but no Fiat coupes yet, This car would make the school run much more entertaining.I wonder if Sergio still makes parts.
Dude! Timing!:
http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=962324
Wow! Can I pass the hat?
Just sell off a few houses. You know you want to.
If you want all of the Fiat issues, none of the Prestige, and some of the styling cues at about 1/3rd the cost you could go get a Vega..
But there are guys who know how to do a V8 Vega swap in their sleep. So they got that going for them.
True. That is a scary ride for sure!
The only reason to do a V8 Vega swap is if you can’t find a ’75 Monza fastback V8. Which might actually be the case, although it’s getting to be a long time since I’ve seen either a Vega or Monza on the road.
I’ve seen a (V8 from the sound of it) Monza within the past year or two IN THE RUST BELT! Which is both shocking and suprising knowing the Monza’s tendencies to rust like her step-sister, the Vega.
Not here the only Vega for sale over here has a collectors price tag and yep its only a Vega The littleFiat 850 coupe looks like a dino that shrank in hot water but I remember those too well they had flow thru ventilation ie thru panels. you would not dare wash one.
I would imagine a Vega over there would command a hefty price tag.
For me, the only Vega that’s not a just a Vega is the Cosworth.
I wouldnt mind a vintage Fiat like the GT above. I’d probably have to leave the midwest to maintain it though.
Honestly, you must be joking???
A Vega and the designs from FIAT are miles appart.
The Vega is without any elegance in comparison.
I love love LOVE the entire Dino line of cars and lament the passing (fumbling) of the brand. I’ve never seen one of these in the flesh, but have drooled aplenty over the Spider and 2X6 series. In fact I even had the chance to drive a 246 last year. It was awesome.
Love this homage to the machine Paul, but…
As for the origin of the fastback I have to point you further back than 1963, to the 1961 New York Auto show where the E-type Jaguar was unveiled to American buyers… and the GM folks flew in the Corvette team to make sketches of the sleek cat. A year later the new Corvette appeared.
chuck; in no way was I implying that the Dino represents the origin of the fastback.
But you did say that the 63 Sting Ray was the instigator of a raft of copycat fastback designs. So if the Sting Ray itself was copycatting the XKE…
In the US only. Please re-read the opening paragraph.
Paul, I think you mean Neapolitan wood-fire pizza. The closest you’ll find in Nepal is probably chapati!
These Dinos sold well in Switzerland. When I was a kid, you saw some clapped out examples sitting on shady dealer lots…
I think you’re right.
There was a Ford Torino fastback in the late 60′s that I thought was good looking, quite similar to the ’67 Mustang fastback.
I was thinking about writing in about the Fiat Dino Coupe after seeing your analysis of the AMC Marlin yesterday … How nice of you to notice! I have been looking at my 67 Coupe since 1979 and have yet to tire of the simple but nuanced design. Not a bold narcissistic presence but very elegant and stylish. Swoop the lines of the Fiat up a few notches and you just may notice the tight family relationship this car has with the Lamborghini Miura … Its all there! But that is a bridge beyond time, distance, and space from the Marlin.
Good lord. A Fiat Dino? I can’t believe you found one in Eugene of all places. I have relatives in the Willamette valley and will have to spend some time in Eugene when I get the chance, just for the cars.
AHEM!… It appears as if the featured car is for sale…Again! Click below for a link to it’s FS ad:
http://www.sportscarshop.com/1970-fiat-dino-bertone-coupe-2-4l/