(first posted 8/3/2012) The sexy sports cars understandably get the majority of the MG lime light but the company has a rich heritage of making saloons (sedan in British car speak) as well. Join on a whirlwind tour of these often forgotten cars.
The “first” MG is a slightly murky subject and I don’t expect to solve it here and now but the general gist of it is this; Cecil Kimber started off with Morris Motors which was at the time a car dealership that sold Morris (no surprise there) as well as various other makes new or used. Like most garages of the time they’d also repaired whatever car you brought in. Kimber starting re-bodying some of the rather staid Morris cars and selling them on for a premium. These were marketed by Morris Garages. There were saloons, sporty numbers as well as a “chummy” (all seats under the same roof – ie no rumble seat at the rear). With success growing the M.G. Car Company was officially formed in 1924 but the famous MG octagon badge dates back to the previous year
This 1925 MG based off the 11.9hp “bullnose” Morris would be a typical early MG saloon. There were, of course, more sporting car two seaters as well open four seaters. The chassis was Morris Cowely with some modifications to lower the suspension and often a mildly uprated engine. MGs of this era were also known for being sold in flamboyant colors which was unusual for the day.
In 1926 Morris dropped the distinctive bullnose radiator grill which meant a re-design of the MG. This meant the MG moved further from its Morris roots with a wider chassis and new flat radiator. All engines were now modified for increased performance but actual on road acceleration was not improved over the older design due to the new, heavier chassis. MG gained its own factory at this time as well.
It is very hard to find information or even photos of the early MG saloons as most of the survivors are drop tops sports car or the occasional coupe. The model designations are also a confusing mess of letters, numbers and enthusiast jargon. The 14/40 could also be called flat rad Super Sports. An interesting but perhaps not quite a saloon but still a four seater variant is this Salonette.
Another interesting variant was the MG Featherweight Fabric Saloon which featured a light weight fabric body that allowed a lot flex with only three mounting points. To ensure the occupants didn’t suffer from motion sickness the seats were attached to the chassis not the body. This seems to be about the only photo of it available online as only 32 were built.
Around 1928 the MG octagon started to spread to the grill badge to the dash gauge surrounds to the some bolt heads. Even the gas pedal had a bit of octagon designed in.
The MG 18/80 with a six cylinder engine appeared in 1928 available in a variety of body styles including the saloon. These cars were rather over shadowed by the sporty M-Type Midget with an overhead camshaft engine. The characteristic grill is now clearly visible.
The SA was rather larger than other MGs of the time with a wheelbase of 123” it had attractive and swoopy styling and the now trademark MG grill. Interestingly the overhead cam engine was ousted in favor of a pushrod motor of 2.2L and then 2.3L. It was highly respected grand tourer rather than an overtly sporty car.
A smaller TA model was introduced followed by the mid-size (for MG) VA model. The VA was a bit on the slow side but was reported to have good road handling and brakes. The SA served as the basis was the even bigger WA which was fitted with a 2.6L engine. While these bigger cars were very luxurious by the standards of the day they were not readily accepted by the MG enthusiasts who felt the only true MGs were the small and sporty ones.
Probably the best known of the early saloons is the Y-Type. As a part of the Y-Type range was the YA and YB closed body saloons as well as the YT four seat open tourer. The Y-Type was actually designed before World War II but had to wait until 1947 to see series production. Based on the Morris Eight Series E (on left) that MG actually looked more old fashioned than the donor Morris by going with separate headlights and a more upright grill. The power train was at least an upgrade over the Morris with a 1250 cc XPAG four cylinder engine of 46hp (54hp in the Tourer). The Morris made do with a 918 cc sidevalve four cylinder of 29hp.
After the Y-Type, the focus was definitely on sports cars. The next saloon was the Magnette, which recycled a much loved name from MG’s earlier days. Predictably there was a little outrage from the purists who thought it was just a slightly massaged Wolseley with a MG grill and an Austin B-series engine! Ironically the Wolseley version, the 4/44, used the 1250cc engine from the MG TF. They were badge engineered siblings but developed as an MG from beginning. Curiously, the Wolseley was released a year earlier. The MG bodywork was 2” lower for a more sporting look and improved handling. Designed by Gerald Palmer, who also designed the lovely Jowett Javelin, the Magnette had a very Italian sort of look combined with some upmarket British saloon charm. The Magnette was MG’s first unibody car and unbeknownst to the MG faithful at the time that Austin engine, the B-series lump, would be an important part of MG’s future powering the iconic A and B roadsters. The Magnette wasn’t a fast car even by standards of the day, but again offered very good road holding and stylish looks.
The Magnette ZB offered a mild refresh with the engine getting modest boost in power to 64hp and a semi-automatic transmission was now optional. The new transmission was called Manumatic and is a bit similar to the VW Autostick in that it is a manual with an automated clutch. It was costly and a bit overly complex so did not sell in great quantities. The quality was so poor that dealers sold a kit to convert Manumatic cars back to a standard transmission. The Magnette was even sold in North America although in smallish numbers. A Varitone model was even offered that was quite American with two tone paint and a larger rear window. I’ve managed to see a few over the years but most are mint ones at car shows or rough ones in shortage lots. Back in the UK the Magnette was the bestselling MG saloon to date.
The MKIII version of the Magnette appeared in 1959 along with a Riley 4/Sixty Eight as the top of the new BMC Farina range. Also sharing the body shell and mechanicals were the Austin A55 Mark 2, Morris Oxford, and Wolseley 15/60. They all used the 1489cc B-series engine, but the MG and Riley was equipped with twin SU carburetors for better performance. It was a thoroughly conventional car with coil springs at the front and leaf springs holding up a live axle at the rear. The styling inside and out was pleasant and featured tail fins at the rear. The Peugeot 404 wore very similar styling. This new Magnette wasn’t even assembled in MG’s factory at Abingdon and many considered it to be a bit too dull for a real MG. The MkIV was much the same but now with a 1622cc engine and handling was improved a bit with a wider track and anti-roll bars. The car was discontinued for 1969 and this news was likely met with very few tears. Not a terrible car as such but a rather unremarkable one.
In Part 2, we will see MG swap the drive wheels from rear to front.
Ah, memories…
My parent’s first car was a black MG Magnette with tan (leather?) interior, I can still remember the beautiful wood grain of the dash, and the funny little directional signal arm that flipped out on the drivers side (disabled in the US versions, but my Dad was an electrical engineer and a tinkerer, so it didn’t stay disabled long). Eventually a second car was needed, so Mom got the MG, and Dad bought himself a new powder blue Alfa Giulietta Spider, which became our weekend cruising vehicle. We’d blast around New England with the top down, myself (then 4) sitting on the transmission tunnel, and my sister (then 2) sitting in my mother’s lap in the passengers seat. The Alfa lasted about two years, until one night my dad was driving in Cambridge (where we lived), my sister riding the transmission position, and me in the passenger seat. A sudden stop resulted in my sister’s forehead smacking into the dashboard. A few stitches later she was fine (just a small scar that is still visible to this day), but Mom immediately forced the trade of the Alfa for a new to the market Chevy II, and insisted on having those newfangled seatbelts installed. The MG lasted a few more years, and was replaced by a Volvo 122S wagon, which eventually became my first car.
What I wouldn’t give to get hold of that MG or Alfa today…
I can only imagine your poor father – from an Alfa Spider to a Chevy II. Probably not a convertible, either. It happens to all of us to some degree with the coming of kids, but most of us don’t have to fall quite so far in the automotive hierarchy. 🙂
I never liked MG’s sports cars, but the Magnette, especially a YB with two tones, stirs my heart. If only MG didn’t rely so much on their sports cars, the company might’ve been in better position today. Who knows.There are no mass market automakers that rely on sports car today, they’re a niche vehicle. Unless you’re an exotic automaker, you better put your eggs in something practical, with four doors.
I meant the ZB, not the YB. I’m getting sleepy… Anyway, would it be nice to have a small, sporting rear-drive sedans, kind of like the BMW 3-series, but with English warmth instead of the cold and aloof German design language? I think that’s what a modern ZB Magnette could have been.
Sounds exactly like the Rover P6 in 2000TC form. The 3500S with the 3.5L V8 would be even better!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_P6
When I was a kid I thought that the Rover 3500 is the coolest sedans ever. It just look so sleek and modern. Of course I didn’t know about the rather crude chassis, or its appaling built quality yet.
The SD1 style isn’t known for quality but the P6 versions are well built. The rear suspension and brakes is a bit over complex though.
There was a modern MG sedan built on a RWD Rover platform using Ford V8 power it went to China cwith the rest of MG
I am really curious about the Rover 75 platform – it started out as, and mostly was, a *FWD* platform, except for a few top-line, post-BMW era Rover 75s and similar MG ZTs that were derived from them, which both had a Mustang 4.6L V8 powering the rear wheels. There was never an AWD version. I can’t think of any other front-engine car, ever, that was offered with both FWD and RWD besides the Rover 75 / MG ZT.
(just edited to add “front-engine” to exclude those funky Renaults where they moved the whole engine toward the rear on the uber-sporty rwd version)
Using a strict definition of *car*, I can’t think of any either. However the previous generation Ford Transit van offered both.
I am getting such an education this week! In my part of the world, MGs were always rare (until we got to MGBs and Midgets) but the saloons were virtually nonexistant. I cannot ever recall seeing one of any of these in person. However, it is interesting to get some context on MG with these less-familiar cars.
As I wrote below on the piece on the TD, my third grade teacher in small town midwest had a 1957 MG Magnette ZB sedan that was a year or so old at the time. All I recall is that her husband had purchased it new and died shortly thereafter. A rare vehicle in that time and place though undoubtedly related to the fact that there was a dealer (the famous S.H. Arnolt’s Hoosier International Motors) in the county seat that sold and serviced imported cars, including MG (and the Arnolt-MG and Arnolt Bristol).
Although old-fashioned in appearance, the Magnette also seemed pretty cool and classy to me as a kid, a little like the Jaguar saloons. Her car did not have the Varitone paint job; it was all in pale green. I do not know which transmission it had. She drove it very little as she lived in town and could walk to work. I always enjoyed the times it would appear near the local grocery or other places around town, looking so out of place next to the finned monsters of the day.
Does anyone know US sales figures for these cars? I believe this was one of the very few I saw (one or two in Arnolt’s showroom as well) until 1972 when I moved to SoCal where, then and now, you see a little of everything on the road.
Ditto on the love for the Magnette. There were a few around the Baltimore area, and always turned me on. An exceptionally clean design for a Brit, and now I know why, having learned here who designed it.
It’s true, British designs of that era seem to either be gorgeous or hideous, with very little in between.
A small point of clarification: Morris Garages was founded in 1910, three years before what became Morris Motors (initially W.R.M. Motors Ltd.). Morris Garages had been around for 12 or 13 years when it got into producing its own cars, mostly focusing on service and parts. (They did sell some cars from Morris and others, but I think it was initially just a sideline.)
While both Morris Garages/M.G. and Morris Motors were founded and owned by William Morris, the two companies were separate entities until 1935, when Morris sold M.G. to Morris Motors. He did the same with Wolseley, acquired Riley (a separate company that had been foundering), and formed the Nuffield Organisation, which later merged with Austin to form BMC.
Not many MG saloons left now not that they were ever common here mostly imported built up not locally assembled which put the price up into 6cylinder territory but not the onroad performance.
I used to do mechanic work for a guy with a small MG collection. The Magnette was always my favorite.
The Magnette is back! – although it’s the sedan version of the new MG6 hatch. I’ve seen 2 MG6s here, have yet to see the new Magnette. Interesting concept, will be watching to see how it does in the UK.
The Rover P6 was far from crude, besides which it didn’t have a chasis- a central monoquoque onto which outer panels were hung- rather like the Citroen DS. It had advanced front and rear suspension which made it unpopular with mechanics, nevertheless it was a superb piece of engineering and one if my favourite English cars.
As for MGs the Y types are favourites of mine. My father owned one for many years so I’m a little biased. Recently I took a ride in one and what impressed me was the quality of the coachwork and the great attention to detail in the interior. They are rather slow due to their weight and not very powerful despite having twin carbs.
In terms of looks some of the best English cars of the ’30s are the Alvis speed 20/25 Van den Plas designs and the beautiful coachbuilt Rileys. Take a look at the Riley RMA/RME dropheads built after the war- wonderful swooping curves- not all British cars, even saloons were stodgy affairs back in the austerity period after the war.
I believe the MG ZA/ZBs had single carb engines- I’ve heard twin carb upgrades are a good way of giving them a little more pow.
ZAs and ZBs had twin carbs and a different camshaft from the regular A50/A55 Austins they also had a floorshift and often overdrive was fitted, Carburettor sets from MGs Wolseleys and Rileys are an easy way to improve the power in the regular Austin/Morris cars.
And it’s nice to see Superman is helping the driver find his way in the first photo……
My MG book had a surprise: some 350 MG SAs were exported to Germany! I thought there were stricter trade barriers in place before the War.
A Magnette, preferably a ZB, has been on my Want List for at least fifty years. I did have one rather painful near-miss: I had gotten my latest issue of Hemmings in the middle of the week and as usual set it aside for weekend reading (you can see where this is going …). Saturday evening I made a cocktail and started leafing through the alphabeticals, starting with Alfa Romeo … and eventually got into the Ms. Ooohh, a Magnette, how nice, and ooooh again it’s $3500 OBO. Omigod, it’s here in Nashville! Holy crap, it’s about six blocks away!
The really nice guy on the phone, of course, said,”I’m sorry, but I just now sold it.” Oh, and to make everything so much better, it had a five-bearing MG-B motor and trans, disc brakes, and seat/shoulder belts professionally installed.
If I get a Hemmings now I do not wait for the weekend.
Those Magnettes are pretty cars, though I’ve never seen one in person. I also quite like the looks of the SA–large or not, it’s an appealing shape and the proportions work better on the longer chassis.
The post-war Magnette ZA/ZB along with a smaller Minor-based model with downscaled Gerald Palmer styling would have propelled MG to greater heights (with pretensions of being Junior Jag challengers) had it been better executed, whether from using more powerful engines (including Twin-Cam) for both the Magnette ZA/ZB and smaller Minor-based model to featuring all-independent suspension.
Shame the mk3/mk4 Magnette was such a step backwards thanks to being based on the previous Austin Cambridge A55 that formed the basis of the Farina B (would have been better off with an early Marina..), interesting to think that an MG version of the Mini would have appeared were it not for Cooper though perhaps an MG Mini could have happen were Riley and Wolseley were killed off.
Great stuff, pure eye candy. So many closed British cars until the ’60s un looked staid, upright and narrow compared to the continental cars, but MGs always looked well-proportioned.
The YB may look more dated than its Morris sibling, but also much more attractive.
And that SA is just sublime. Definitely in my top five of ’30s British saloons. Even better than the SS-Jaguar and just a notch below the Lagonda V12.
The ZA/ZB has a nice period shape, very sleek in a ’50s sort of way. Farina BMCs aren’t my cuppa though. The Peugeot 404 and the Flaminia wore that suit with much more panache.
There’s a ZB Magnette near me now sporting the B series 1798cc lump from an MGB. The owner told me that this (and accompanying gearbox) was a straight swap for the old unit. It goes quite well. Mind you, I came across one a few years back which had had the old engine chucked out in favour of a Ford 1998cc, 98 bhp Pinto unit and gearbox from a wrecked Mk4 Cortina. That went even better! Odd, I know, but that’s Cornwall for you.
As a young man I remember seeing a YB at the MG/Lotus dealer in Montrose, CA (used to go there to to gaze in wonder at the early Renault-engined Europas they had there. Out of my budget at the the time but I did end up owning any early Series 1 Type 46 Europa – another story). Imagine my delight when a friend sold me his ’58 ZB Varitone for a couple hundred bucks (late sixties). My first car! Can’t remember what happened to it now but I loved working on it, loved the sound of the engine, the leather seats, the wood dash and all the accompanying little British eccentricities – a ticking clock tucked into the headliner just above the windshield, etc.
Also a fan of the Magnette. It comes together well as an overall design, and strikes a seductive balance between stylish and traditional. A good example of a mid-market ‘sports sedan’ concept, that MG would have been wise to continue with.
In an alternate universe MG and BMW coulda/shoulda been competing head to head a decade later.
The same observation has been made about BMW and Triumph. The Triumph Dolomite Sprint in particular was seen as a competitor to the BMW 2002.
A ’59 Magnette Mark III:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12119356@N00/albums/72177720300764630
And a ’47 YA:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12119356@N00/52236522896/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12119356@N00/52235540952/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12119356@N00/52236523331/
Both caught at the All British Field Meet, Kenmore, Washington.
When the “wood dashboard” of an MG Magnette is spoken of, it is a whole lot of wood. Mahogany and walnut. I would love to drive sitting amongst all that wood and leather.
I recently followed a ZA Magnette down highway 16 a delightfully bendy secondary highway my Citroen loves it at any velocity but I enjoyed cruising at 90kmh behind that Magnette watching it corner and it was going very well for an old car well into its 60s, it arked in Kumeu and as I went by the could see the driver was much older than his car.
Love mostly MG`s but especially the Farinas of 1963 , they seem to be the unrefined cousins of Peugeot 404 . But i`m here to ask something with the fully respect owed :
wasn`t about time United Kingdom , Australia and Japan decides definitely to make a global allignment with the other 193 countries (nations) ? Mean these three or 4 , if you add New Zealand , they look so outdated with the left`s side steering wheel