–Purple– Yellow haze, all in my –brain– headlamps
The car needed new headlamps; the lenses were badly degraded—this kills pedestrians. I knew once new ones were installed, fitted with thoughtfully-selected bulbs, and aimed, I’d like them fine; they’re designed in accord (heh) with the better aspects of both American and European headlamp standards, made by a reputable Japanese supplier by the very Japanese name of Stanley and equipped with bulbs of a type easily, inexpensively, safely, and effectively upgraded. The red rear turn signals were not welcome to remain; I’d have to do something about those.
I didn’t see to the lights straightaway; I just settled into driving the car. It has what pretends to be an oil condition monitor, but is really just a 6,000-mile (plus or minus maybe, depending on average speeds or somesuch) countdown timer. I bought a good quality filter and briefly dove into numerous browser tabs’ worth of endless web forum discussions about boutique oil brands and what viscosity of oil is specified for various car models with this engine in Japan, in Europe, etc. Then I closed all the browser windows and bought a reputable shelf brand of synthetic oil —Pennzoil was on sale—of the 5W-20 specified by the maker for this car on this continent. I disregarded and reset the oil change reminder when it pestered me at 6,000 miles. Changed the oil and filter after 4,300 additional miles and sent in a sample of the drain oil for analysis. The report came back showing the drain oil was in excellent condition at 10,300 miles; I could’ve probably driven double that mileage (through something like three and a half dashboard exhortations) without the oil numbers turning badward.
Look ma, no cavities!
This is nothing short of amazing versus what we used to see with old oil, old filters, and old engines. Much of the improvement is because of engines that run (and fuels that burn) a whole hell of a lot cleaner than before. I took a look at one of what very well might have been the car’s original spark plugs. It appeared to be in fine condition; no indication that a new one was warranted. Back into its cylinder it went.
It felt strange to be able to get whatever which part or service I might need on short notice, anywhere—no need to hoard parts or put the service manual on the seat when taking the car to a shop. Accessories were easy, too; I got a set of Weathertech floor and trunk mats and rain deflectors for all four windows. No scavenger hunt required, just a credit card. The B-side of that 45 is standing there in a parkade, grocery bags in hand, and wondering why the car won’t unlock…oh, it’s because this isn’t my silver ’07 Accord, it’s somebody else’s silver ’09 Impala.
The brakes came due, and I permanently vanquished the notorious warped-rotor pedal-pulse with a set of cryogenically-treated new rotors, which were available off the shelf; I first read about the technique many years ago in this 1987 Popular Science magazine (click the cover for the relevant article in a new browser tab):
There was a recall issued by both American Honda and Honda Canada for the V6 Accords: new power steering high-pressure line assembly, because the original could chafe and leak and start a fire. Honda Canada asked if there were any chance I’d be in the states soon; if not, they could do the recall, but it would involve a lot of paperwork and delay because the US and Canadian operations don’t talk much to each other (which was also why it was still undone on this car—a weakness in Canada’s Registrar of Imported Vehicles program). I had the Seattle house, and we were back and forth frequently, so yeah, no problem, I’ll take it in down there. And hey, while I was there I could try out this dealer-service thing, because there was a weird lighting problem: usually I couldn’t turn off the headlamps with the ignition on. With the key off the headlamp switch worked normally, but with the ignition on, about 95 per cent of the time it was as though the headlamp switch didn’t exist, or had been glued in the third position: headlamps, parking and tail lights, side markers, licence lights, all lit up. Automatic lights weren’t offered on the ’07 Accord (there’s an ambient light sensor in the middle of the dashboard, but it’s not used for the lights—it’s said to somehow influence the air conditioner).
So I took the car to a Honda dealer in the Seattle area for that recall, a wheel alignment (the only one I’ve ever had on this car), and a look into the lighting weirdness. They called me while I was having lunch with my starter-and-alternator wizard, and said “Have you been into the steering column?” No, but I’d just bought the car a month ago and had no idea what the previous owner might’ve done. “Because there are two extra wires in there that Honda didn’t put there. The tech wants to remove them and see if that fixes the problem”. Yes, that fixed the problem, which was that some IPO had ziptied a blue plastic Hella relay under the dash and run two wires to the headlamp switch on the steering column, and one wire to the fusebox, where it had been crammed into an unused fuse slot. Clearly this was done so the car would have full lights auto-on with ignition-on, and I’m guessing it was done when the car was imported to Canada. Which is dumb, because the car, even as a US model, was built with daytime running lights fully compliant with Canadian regs. The misbehaviour was intermittent probably because those blue plastic Hella relays aren’t very reliable. With it and its wires excised, the lights worked as intended.
I’d asked the dealer to change the transmission fluid and filter. Came the response: “We can change the fluid, but there’s no filter”. That didn’t sound right, so…quick! To the internet! Turns out there is a transmission filter behind a 3-bolt cover easily accessible from under the hood. I found a site showing photos of the filter and the replacement procedure, a list of the needed parts, and all that. When I went to the dealer for the steering hose recall, just to be sure I asked the service writer about a transmission filter change. Same answer: “There is no filter on that model”. I walked 15 feet to the parts counter and asked if they could sell me a 25450-RAY-003 and if so, how does it come up in the system. Answer: “Yup, that’s a transmission filter”.
I bought the filter and assorted gaskets and crush washers and took them to my usual non-dealer shop the next time I had the car there for something else, I think an oil change. I brought along printout of the web page I’d found, and they said they’d take a look at it. Went to pick it up, and they said “That’s really something! Officially there’s no transmission filter on this car; it’s not in the service manual or Mitchell or anything, but it’s right there; took us about 10 minutes to change it, and the old one was really crusty and obviously due for replacement. Thanks for showing us that”. Perhaps that’s one of the reasons why this transmission has a less-than-sterling durability reputation. Why in the screaming yellow zonkers does an automaker go to the trouble of putting in an easy-to-reach, easy-to-change filter, then deny it exists?
At the same time, I got new transmission pressure switches, because they drift. I was hoping this show of goodwill might improve the transmission’s behaviour, but it didn’t, and I’m getting ahead of myself.
The engine mounts are a fine bit of doglick engineering; there are vacuum lines, of all things, running to the front and rear mount, and a whole control system that sends vacuum (or doesn’t) to the mounts to stiffen or soften their reaction. I file these right next to the stupid transmission-engagement programming. At about 117k miles the mounts failed—all of them. Vibration/rumbling drone at idle in Drive, like being stopped in traffic next to a truck with a big diesel engine and a street-level exhaust. Thunk-effect feeling when accelerating from a stop—there was no actual clunk/thunk noise, but it felt like a large mass moving, like the bump when a heavy item shifts in the trunk. The choice was between genuine Honda parts (expensive, doglick-y, but quality worth installing) or aftermarket parts without vacuum provisions (cheap, sketchy junk). I sighed and bought the OE parts.
Yay its Saturday morning!
Another great read, Daniel.
Honda used to say “We Keep It Simple”.
Sounds like in some ways (HVAC controls, etc.) this may no longer be true.
Do companies make things that work well work worse on purpose so that it can be “improved” later? If so, I am not a fan of this.
I still think my ’05 Taurus (credit where due) had ergonomic perfection, and miss that.
Look forward to your next installment.
Have a great day.
I donno how come Honda did such a halfassed job of so much on this car. I keep coming back to the same adjective: thoughtless. I have a vague sense that the previous Mk6 and subsequent Mk8 Accords are considered better, but that’s just think-I’ve-heard-tell stuff.
Speaking of the Taurus, I recall a Ford person being quoted in a magazine sometime in the ’90s, enthusing about the redesigned HVAC controls: they’d gone from buttons and switches back to rotary dials and bowden cables, because they’d been found to be much easier to use and entirely reliable. Huh! Y’think?
I’ve got a Mk8 Accord. Based on your rant, I’d say it’s no better and no worse. It runs with no complaint (4cyl, base model) and is built solidly.
But some of the engineering baffles me. It’s bigger and bloatier than the Mk7, for no reason I can identify. And it doesn’t feel as thoughtfully engineered as my Mk2 CR-V, which is an exceptionally well-designed vehicle. Lots of wasted space, little thought for how the car would be actually used. For example: the trunk is big, but the passthrough to the back seat is comically small. The wheel is all but useless to hold at the 6 o’clock position: the area between the two bottom spokes is too small for an average hand like mine. The headlight plastic has fogged for the second time; I’ve got to get out there with the 3M kit and brighten it up again.
I’ve wanted to replace it for years but have no real reason to.
Wow, Daniel, I’ve never read such an exhaustive detail of quirks in a Honda. Of course, as you stated, some are due to differing regulations. I do concur, however, that some ergonomics are indeed wonky. My biggest complaint with my 5 speed Fit Sport is that the spacing between the dead pedal and the clutch pedal often catches my size 13 shoe, as well as the spacing between the brake and accelerator pedal means that if I’m not careful, my foot can be on both at the same time! I know that Honda “decontented” the Fit, so as to make buying it more “economical” than a Civic, but it would have been nice to have the illuminated ignition ring; I did, however, switch out the standard cargo light with one for an Acura that has an off/on switch, so I can leave the rear hatch open. Otherwise, it has and continues to be an engaging car to drive! I’ll be here, “same Dan time, same Dan channel” for the next installment, LOL!! 🙂
I have the same problem with my 13-size shoes. Sometimes, I have to take my shoes off and use my feet to operate the pedals in some cars.
Perfect for double-declutching, though, eh!
Hondas are usually fairly good not perfect any means but fairly reliably and well screwed together but so are most cars from the current century Ive had better reliability from my current 03 model car than from any others Ive owned over 100 and counting and that includes quite a few Japanese models,
Oh, stop praising the French with yer ’03 Citroen, ya Kiwi, or the bastards ‘ll put a bomb in yer yacht!
Must agree from three ownerships that Hondas are beautifully made, but not really as superior as that build seems to imply when time and miles mount. They’re indeed just “fairly good.”
They wanted to kindly put a bomb in your submarine for you and you wouldn’t let them. Hydropneumatic turbodiesel submarine anyone?
Some Oz market Hondas are made in Thailand.
The blobby 2010ish Accords were, whereas the Accord Euro (Acura to Americans) was… Japanese? Can’t remember. There was definitely a relatively cheapo feel to the Thai ones but of course they were at different price points.
Wow. What a mixed bag on this Accord. While reliability and safety are excellent cards to be holding, not actually *wanting* to drive your car because it provides no positive feedback, no joy… is a real bummer. Maybe that’s an unintentional safety feature, as it’s pretty hard to have a crash if you’re sitting at home procrastinating and dreading that trip to wherever because of the sensory deprivation chamber sitting in the driveway.
I too had an Accord at one time- Grandma gave me her well maintained and liked 1987 Accord as a high school graduation gift (Thanks, Gramma… I love and miss you!), so much older than yours. Some parts are quite different, others very familiar Honda fare. In the latter category: good fit and finish, warped brake rotors, leaks in the trunk through taillight gaskets and other places, two different shades of the same color vis a vis American or Japanese production, non-serviceable transmission filter (not sure if there was secret filter access on mine), and uncomfortable seats. What’s different was that yours has power, while mine tried its best to make an engaging driving experience with ha-ha horsepower. The switchgear was thoughtfully laid out and systems did exactly what you told them to do… the latter bit has more to do with the tech available at the time, of course. I kept it for a few years, then gifted it to Dad when I bought my 1995 Firebird Formula.
I ran into the same issue as you with the parking lights on my ex’s 2014 Mazda 3; it kept turning them off about 15 or 30 seconds after I turned them on with the ignition off. Dammit! I turned them on for a reason, HAL! Trying to trick the computer responsible for this whackery was pretty frustrating, and of course there was no override for most of it. I was able to turn the lights and DRL’s off by engaging the parking brake to the first click while pulling into apartment parking spots late at night, to avoid spraying light into bedroom windows, but really!
Looking forward to your next installment, hoping it brings you more happiness!
My previous experience with Hondas was limited to riding in a few and a brief drive in a ’94ish Accord—that car felt very much better thought out than mine.
Daniel, some chamomile, and a peace-filled location in which to sip it.
You do not like this form of transport, an entirely subjective thing, an entirely free zone when it comes to the opining of others and the irrelevance thereof. This is all well, as much as it is good.
But you have smashed out many words per minute – maybe, indeed, as much as 130 – to make it seem that an entirely reliable second-hand car sound tried to set your hair on fire every time you went near it. Given the existence of your beardism, this is clearly not at all true. Honda may very well have produced a car that induces a soporific result for you, but Sir, you must respect its ability to do so, because that is what the vast majority of people who need to get about, want.
I do, in fact, get it.
Had an Odyssey 4-cyl that we took from 180Kms to 340, and there were plenty of annoyances in its reliable service. That very HVAC nonsense you describe is indeed bloody stupid (and btw, in a hotter clime, that dumbass screen thing eventually warps enough that thumps and bangs on the dash are all one can do to get air). Transmission (4speed) was also a nuisance in various behaviours, though I will give it marks for getting to 340+. The whole shebang also just looked uninterested, in and out (though again, that Accord is even worse). There was a lot to dislike.
But I gotta say, it had unexpected charms. Really good (brown mousefur) seats, excellent handling (but numb steering), and quite adequate ride. I didn’t have quite the level of discord you have to this Accord.
So sip your tea, and look for the best. There’s surely some there. Also, stop fixing the damn thing. It won’t make you like it any greater, you know.
Wow, 15mpg! Ok, you can fix that, that’s absurd.
I would much prefer brown instead of black, and mousefur instead of leather.
I would love to improve the fuel economy, but how? There is really, actually nothing mechanically or electronically the matter with the car. It’s been very closely scrutinised and it’s not running rich or anything. About the only thing I can think of to try is a new set of tires.
I did get a proper detail job done on it this past August, finally. That made it a considerably less obnoxious place to spend time, but didn’t fix any of its inherent badnesses. And while this isn’t a good time to buy a car, it’s a very good time to sell one, so perhaps that’s a wash. Accords like this seem to have high resale value. But again: what to replace it with? A “crossover” (turn, »spit!«, wipe) or tallish wagon of some kind would be a better fit than a sedan…
3 liters and 244 horsepower, with an automatic transmission and over 3,000 lb of car to move, has its trade offs. Fuel mileage is the thing that has to give.
183 cubic inches and 244 horsepower, without turbos or superchargers, is an awesome result. The old school rule of thumb was that over 1 horsepower per cubic inch was very hard to accomplish, and that was with the gross HP figures, not the lower net HP calculations that came in during the early ‘70s.
But in my experience, the cars and minivans equipped with this engine don’t show off that power very well. We take 200 or 300 horsepower for granted now, and the heavy cars, capable suspension dynamics, and automatic transmissions thwart our capacity, as drivers, to “experience” all that power.
Sure, use the 244 horses and the fuel economy will be rotten. But I just about never need (or ask) anywhere near the engine’s full output, and even all the way back in 2007 Honda (of all companies!) ought to have been able to do a much better job of delivering economy when power isn’t being called for.
We had an 06 Odyssey and have a 10 CRV, and neither got/gets near the mileage expected … when my wife drives it. She’s always got her foot on one pedal or the other, while I tend to accelerate fairly quick and brake late, but keep off both pedals in between. And she always has the A/C on in the CRV, while I almost never do.
But in your case I think the culprit may be the auto climate control. Our Odyssey had it and it had the compressor running almost any time the auto mode was engaged. Does driving with it off (and not in defrost) help the mileage? Sure helped our Odyssey.
Also, IIRC Honda did something fairly sophisticated to make the compressor spin easier while idling or under load, vs. most American cars (and my 02 Subie and 06 Mazda 6) which just use a simple.clutch. my sense is it didn’t disengage nearly as completely. Probably good for the A/C performance, but I think it affected mileage.
I wish it were that simple, but that’s not it—I never use the automatic mode of the climate control (I have yet to encounter an agreeable automatic climate control) and I keep the compressor switched off unless I’m actually using it.
I’ve had two Honda J series V-6 motors, in my 2000 Acura TL and my 2003 Accord Coupe.
These motors make good power, the TL at 225 hp and the Accord 240, making both cars very quick for someone like me who grew up driving a Rabbit Diesel.
The TL got 14.5L/100 KM in the city and 9.5 on the highway.
The Accord was 12L/100KM in the city and 8.5 on the highway.
These are not fuel efficient motors.
For comparison, my Golf does 7L/100KM city and 5.0 on the highway and it is just as quick as the TL was.
12 L/100km = nearly 20 miles per US gallon. That would suit me better than this what I get.
It has been interesting to read of Daniel Stern Specs ™ applied to a Honda. As one who has spent an increasing amount of time in and around Hondas from the 1970s on, I have concluded that newer and larger models have lost some of the “Honda-ness” that I loved. You might have avoided some of these niggles had you gone to the other end of the range – my 07 Fit was an old design when I bought it new and was still very Honda-y.
Like the HVAC controls – simple dials with an LED in the A/C button to tell you if its on or off. But then I don’t have the dual zones. And mine is a hoot to drive, which I confirmed with I traded off with my kid’s 98 Civic, which feels a lot more like a Buick than it felt when I was driving a Ford Club Wagon or a Cadillac Brougham.
The issue on the brakes is fascinating. For close to 30 years I have learned over and over that having brakes done at an independent shop invariably led to nasty brake pulsation after awhile, always fixed by new Genuine Honda pads installed at a dealer (usually at a very reasonable cost) with nothing whatsoever done to the rotors.
I laughed at the location of your oil analysis lab – right there in my hometown of Fort Wayne – though its a south side location and I was a north side boy.
The rotors were due when I needed brakes, and there seemed to be a lot of people complaining of persistent/repeated pedal pulsation even with new Honda rotors and pads. So I went for Centric cryo-rotors and (I think) EBC Yellowstuff pads. Zero pulsation ever since.
This car does a poor job of representing Honda’s engineering and design prowess. I know they can do a whole lot better than this—they just chose not to. It’s a lazy phone-in of a half-effort.
Did you add the Hella front side markers in expectation of retrofitting the ROW headlights…or did they provide better visibility than the ones in the North American light clusters? Or was the thought process “Well, I installed them in the back, so I might as well install them in the front too so that both ends match!”
Well-done retrofit of the taillights! Honda and Acura have waffled on the amber/red turn signal issue for decades, treating it as a stylistic/”easy way to do a mid-generation facelift” issue, and it’s irritating. The only car I’ve owned with red turn signals was a Ford Focus hatchback, and I had limited recourse for fixing them: The ROW taillights lacked a side reflector and backup lens, and since the turn signal function was combined with the brake light, I would have had to cut the wiring to ribbons to separate the functions. It also lacked anti-lock brakes (a grave fault), and I knew that drivers behind me couldn’t make comprehension of what I was doing when I was signalling a turn and pumping the brakes at the same time.
It was the second thing; I put on the redundant Hella front side markers because I thought it’d look goofy to have just rear ones with no matching front ones. The RH-traffic European-spec headlamps have the same amber side reflector as the American lamps (allowed but not required outside North America), and they’re perfectly happy to accept the American-spec 2-filament park/turn bulb socket, so there would be no functional need for the separate front side markers.
Wiring needn’t necessarily be cut to ribbons to split combined brake/turn lights out to separate lamps; there’s this or this bit of cleverness.
“Yay, German bulbs.”
Sounds like the Narvas were good, but where did Osram Sylvania make the bad ones? Every Sylvania bulb I can think of having bought were German, too.
Sylvania’s car bulbs come from all over the place. Some are from Germany, but many are from America, Korea, Taiwan, etc.
Well, technology finally caught up and delivered a car that was somewhat Daniel Upgrade Resistant, if partially by boring you into inaction.
Yes a manual transmission would have helped, but as you said not in a major city. At least it’s dependable, this is why I divide cars into interesting and transportation. A Valiant is interesting, a 2007 Honda with autobox is transportation.
Your Accord is an older cousin to Stephanie’s 2013 TSX wagon, so this was of some interest to me. It only has 75k now, but it’s never had a single issue (I think there was one minor recall). It too had the inevitable pulsing brakes, which thanks to your input, was readily (and permanently) fixed by a set of those cryogenically treated front rotors, which Amazon delivered to me along with some decent pads. Replacing them was super easy.
Other than that, it’s been just oil changes. Its HID headlights (low beam only) are a revelation. What a difference , especially after the Subaru’s pathetic lights. I never use the conventional high beams, as they add very little. But then I rarely use high beams; I find that they worsen my night time vision.
Our TSX has the four, and it’s plenty fast enough, and gets decent mileage (24 in town; up to 30 on the highway, depending on speed). The five speed automatic is pretty good as far as I’m concerned, and I’ve never noticed it skipping a gear like yours. Maybe the programming was changed. Actually, I rather like it quite a bit, as it’s not so quick to upshift or downshift as boxes with mre gears. One can use the throttle fairly effectively to influence its shifting. And then the shift paddles are handy for when one wants to grab a gear one way or the other.
The handling is stellar. It’s just about as good as it gets. With the four and the rear-heavy wagon, it’s front-rear balance and suspension tuning makes it almost impossible to tell that it has FWD. Yes, the electric steering is a wee bit numb, but it’s ok.
I hardly ever drive it anymore, but when I do, it’s a pleasant departure from my xB and van, other than having to drop myself down into it. It feels like I’m strapping myself into a sports car; so low. But it’s still a blast to drive fast through the mountains.
It’s boringly reliable, and I would not want to have it as my daily driver, as I can’t bear low cars anymore, but I can’t fault it otherwise. Oh yes, the climate controls suck.
In my experience, the four cylinder Accord is a much better choice than the six. Much like choosing a small block V-8 instead of a big block in the old days. The overall economy and better workings of the thing easily are a trade up, even though one gives up a bit of torque and power here and there.
I suspect I’d find this car—or at least its fuel economy—much less gritching with a 4-cylinder motor.
After four years of driving it I’ve come to rely on my ’04 Toyota’s parking sonar, so much so that I find it aggravating when I drive a car without it. IDK if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. It has three different beep frequencies: the closer the sensor gets to the obstruction, the faster it beeps. Makes parallel parking a breeze.
I don’t hold with the idea that driver assistants are dulling our skill; most of us never had much of it to begin with.
The fundamental competency and reliability of the Honda allows one to focus instead on the niggling issues and specs of the car. That said, it really is an appliance that safely gets you from here to there and back again, but little more than that. No drama, no listening for sounds or waiting for vibrations that might land you stuck at the side of the road at any moment. Our Accord and CR-X are for when I want to drive somewhere without thinking about the journey or the driving experience. It just gets me there.
Perhaps…but if I’m going to be stuck in a featureless room, at least if there are some cracks, peels, and runs in the paint I’ll have something to imagine I see airplanes and carrots in.
So much to unpack here, as the current lingo goes. Loved this unique Daniel Stern car review as applied to modern wheels. You won’t find anything else like this on the internet!
I have a 2015 Camry Hybrid with some of the annoying quirks you mention, but many (most?) can be programmed to my preference. At least it has Toyota’s hybrid system, so no stepped transmission gears and the only selection is between D and B, the latter to provide effective simulated engine braking.
On HVAC controls, my view is perfection was achieved for single-zone, manual systems with the 3 rotary knobs, as first popularized in the US with the 1986 Taurus/Sable. My former 2004 Camry had one that may very well have been the pinnacle — the 3 knobs with a button and telltale in each knob center, for a/c, recirc, and rear defog. Simple, foolproof, and easy to operate by feel. Now, only low-line compacts and economy trucks have this system.
The HVAC display blanking out unless you select a control? Reminds me of a 2016 Audi A4 my employer had. This problem existed for the sport (manual) mode of the automatic transmission, which IIRC, had 7 forward gears. When you shifted from “D” to “S,” the IP display would indicate your current gear numerically, BUT the display would revert back to “S” after a momentary delay. Drove me crazy; I wanted to know what gear I was in, but no, you had to bump the + or – selector to find out!
With regard to your falling asleep while driving, do you take prescription drugs or have sleep apnea? I ask because both conditions apply to me. I didn’t know I had sleep apnea until I fell asleep long enough to cross over a highway’s right turn lane and off the right shoulder, putting my 2 right wheels in grass. The bumping jarred me awake and I was able to make a controlled stop. Fortunately, there were no obstacles or drop-offs in that particular spot.
I had been having intermittent trouble staying awake on the 13-mile easy drive home from work, many times having to resist the urge to close my eyes by the time I got to the halfway mark. A sleep test after my incident revealed severe apnea, for which I now use a CPAP device. The funny thing is I never felt particularly tired at work and believed my sleeping at night was fine.
I do have “mild to moderate” OSA: loud snoring, but I don’t actually stop breathing. I have a mouth plate that moves my lower jaw forward, which quiets me down, and it also helps that I sleep on my side, not on my back. This what I describe in the post isn’t a sleep quality or quantity issue; the car really does aggravate my tendency to grow sleepy with lack of stimulation on long road trips. Over the years I’ve developed countermeasures—get plenty of sleep, go easy on carbohydrates, especially white starch that flashes instantly into sugar and causes a crash; keep the in-car temperature on the cool side—and it helps that I quit caffeine (a struggle that lasted more than a decade). But this car just obliterates all those strategies!
I cannot imagine what train of thought (LOLROFL) drives someone to design a display that behaves as you and I describe. It’s so clearly, obviously the wrong way to do it!
I had a 2003 Accord Coupe EX-L I bought for my wife in 2017. It had 120,000 KM on it when I bought it for $4500.
I drove it daily for a year and I enjoyed it. Yes, it was heavy on fuel but with 240 hp it went really well.
Except it had electrical problems. When I drove it off the lot, the brake light switch failed. Then the airbag light came on all the time. I could reset it by turning the ignition off and on a few times. I check for the infamous Honda airbag recall, but no luck.
When my Kia Rio’s lease came due, I needed a reliable daily driver and a car with electrical gremlins are not reliable. The airbag light went off long for the the Accord to be sold for $4500 since Annie never drove it anyway.
I then went out and bought my Gold. Used car prices are so insane in Vancouver I won’t bother buying a used car again.
Oh, y’know, I meant to mention that airbag recall. I dutifully checked every now and then, but the 6-cylinder ’07 Accords aren’t affected (or at least they’re not recalled), only the 4-cylinder cars. It seems the V6 cars got a slightly more de luxe airbag assembly with a dessicator that staves off the wet-sodium-azide condition that causes the faulty bags to behave like grenades. Sort of like (only) the hybrid cars got real rear turn signals.
Good ol’ Takata…same company who, in the midst of an earlier recall for faulty seatbelts, were said (I can only find nth-hand recollections, and it was a long time ago) to have blamed the problem on slobbish Americans cramming french fries in the belt slot.
I had a 2008 4-cylinder Accord EX-L for 3 months in late 2017, and my impressions of it pretty much track with yours. All the goodies–ABS, traction control, dual-zone HVAC, bun warmers. Totally checked the refinement boxes, didn’t check the fun-to-drive boxes at all.
I say 3 months because one night I parked it on my street, and around 1 a.m. some clown in a ’74 Dodge pickup plowed into it. When I went to the impound yard to get personal effects out of it, the rear bumper was even with the rear window. I’m sure that if this hadn’t happened, the car would have given me many years of good, if not thrilling, service.
If some clown in a ’74 Dodge pickup—or I’m not picky; a Ford or a ’77 would be fine, too—were to total my parked and empty Accord, my displeasure would be at the nuisance and insurance hassle involved.
Everything is wrong since me and my baby parted,
All day long I’m walking ’cause I couldn’t get my car started.
Laid off from my job and I can’t afford to check it,
I wish somebody’d come along and run into it and wreck it.
–Chuck Berry, “Come On”
https://youtu.be/s_sQcYNHTcY
In my case, I work 25 miles from home, and this was pre-COVID, pre-teleworking. My insurance company’s rental reimbursement was good for only 2 weeks, so I had to find another car fast and couldn’t be picky. The hell of it was, I’d bought the Accord under similar circumstances when an incompetent tow truck driver destroyed my 2003 Saturn L200. I was not pleased. As I said to the insurance adjuster, I’d lost 2 cars in 4 months because other people were idiots.
Maybe I’ve been lucky but this seems like a troublesome car compared to the various Toyota’s, VW’s and Subaru we’ve owned in the past 20-25 years. Even accounting for Daniel Stern pickiness 😀. As for the fuel economy, I think the now-less-popular 2.5-3 liter V6 is the wrong engine for this size car, unless refined horsepower is the only goal. I continue to be impressed by the stellar fuel economy of our 1.8T Volkswagen; mid-40’s (US gallons) on the highway, low 30’s for my wife’s short commute. And performance is just fine, and I think would still be more than adequate in a heavier sedan. Of course, the manual transmission may help. I know some folks have concerns about long term reliability of the new breed of turbo 4 cylinders; I’m sold on the concept, though not sure if I’d take it to the extreme of the newer 1.4 liter engines.
What year and model (I assume Golf or Jetta) is your VW 1.8T? I’m interested in getting something more interesting than my 2005 Honda Civic.
“… I get 14 to 15 miles per US gallon around town, and that’s driving like a grandpa…”
Wow, I get better than that with my 8-cylinder Northstar! (16 in stop-and-go driving.) And that’s in a substantially heavier car.
That is crazy.
Yeah, eh? It’s only rated at 18 city, which seems really poor, but I’d be happier with that than my 14 to 15. And as I say, my hoary old ’91 Spirit did better. ☹️
Couple thoughts.
If the cheap Chinese glass brand is Fuyao, that’s what I ended up with for a windshield in my Avalon a few years ago courtesy of Safelite. I was skeptical of the quality. Then I noticed a coworker’s 2020 Equinox has OE Fuyao glass all around. Hmmm. No complaints on my part, but I don’t drive many miles.
I was hoping this was one of the 2007 only Special Editions. Hertz bought quite a few when new and I worked there. I loved them. Accord LX equipment with the V6 and 17 inch alloys. Great mix of options. Cruise, power windiws locks and mirrors, and that’s about it. Cloth and manual seats. No sunroof. No frills but the big engine. Hyundai had base Sonata V6s in Canada around this time that were similar. V6, big alloys, no other options. Not in the US though.
Believe it or not, Honda still made Accord DXs in 06 and maybe 07. 4 cylinder, no cruise, but they all had power windows and locks and keyless entry by then. That was the only trim with 15″ wheels by this body style. All LX and EX 4 cylinders had 16s and all V6s had 17s.
Man I have grown to hate these LED brakelights on this body style. Too bright at night.
I am pretty sure the brand we’re talking about is FYG (Fuyao). Yes, they make OE glass…but that doesn’t necessarily imply their aftermarket glass is made to the same standards of quality and fit.
Interesting that you object to these LED brake lights—they’re nowhere near the maximum allowable intensity, and they’re large enough not to cause the laser-beam effect (like current RAV4s, recent NXs, etc).
Oops, no, I was wrong: Not FYG/Fuyau, but PGW, which I think is what became of PPG when their auto glass works were sold into China.
Your mention of multiple instrument panel and switch illumination bulbs being burned out sounds familiar. It seems like every modern car I’ve experienced will have a number of these bulbs out by its tenth birthday; and it is most often the lamps that are uncommon or proprietary, sometimes soldered in place, built into a switch that’s ultrasonic welded together, or just a plain pain to deal with. Said lamps will usually have a 15,000 or more hour rated life, but in practice, will not outlast the bog standard and easy to replace PC1xx bulbs that have 500-4000hr lives. It must have something to do with that Murphy guy.
I have memories of scouring wrecking yards 15-20 years ago looking for 1986-89 Toronados and 1986-88 Rivieras, which a crazy friend of mine maintained a personal fleet of, hoping to find examples with low enough mileage that their switchgear (hopefully) still illuminated… those were ones that were filled with incandescent bulbs before being sonic welded together. One or the other had switches made by Singer- yep, the sewing machine company.
It’s amusing to me to read an account of where someone doesn’t particularly care for their Honda; these complaints are generally greeted with: “Well, it’s meant to function as a car, competently with no drama, etc.”. Oddly, when you apply this standard to just about any other brand, you get complaints about how boring or uninspired the car is, as if the other car’s non-drama is somehow doesn’t measure up to the Honda’s non-drama.
It’s really only up to Daniel to be satisfied or unsatisfied with his car; no apologetics or mansplaining will change his opinion. This almost rates up there with my old service manager at the Toyota store who told customers they were driving their vehicles wrong. That may be, but that’s how they drove their car. They were well within their rights to complain. It’s Daniel’s right to be unsatisfied with his car, whether he doesn’t care for the mileage or the interface or whatever, he can still feel that way.
True, but I submit that few things make as little sense as driving a boring car that infuriates you, with surprisingly poor fuel economy to boot. Seriously, what’s the upside?
My mindset is a little different. Gotta run, after lunch I’ll be looking into the fuel leak on the Guzzi 1100, then either the intermittent miss on the w126 500SE or the stubborn power hardtop in the SLK230. Keep it interesting…
The upside is it stays out the shop and does the job, and by keeping it I avoid the hassle of changing cars. So far that’s been enough. Perhaps some other kind of car will grab hold of my fancy hard enough for me to deal with the hassle and wind up happier on the other side. But…what kind???
I don’t have a lot of experience with newer cars these days, and I’m positive that most of them are gonna have a number of ugh-to-duh-to-infuriating details, but my gut instinct says that a Subaru wagon *might* be worth a looksee. I’ve driven a number of early 2000’s Legacy Outbacks when they were newer, and was quite satisfied with their driving dynamics, utility, and overall abilities. Was even happier when the roads turned to snow and ice, and the AWD system pulled and pushed me through with nary a hiccup.
Maybe best to avoid the EJ25 engined models that like to chew on head gaskets, and I’m not sure what their CVT tolerability and reliability is like, but I think the later model ones have been holding up well…
I can relate to the feeling of being in another automotive world. After spending 15 years driving a 90s car with hand crank windows jumping into a 2016 with pushbutton start, a rear view camera, power mirrors and windows a a radio that showed the name of the station and song was heavy wizardry. Your catalog of ergonomic annoyances makes me glad I drive a Mazda with three big clicky knobs to run the HVAC. On the other hand my mother is very happy with her 2013 Accord V6, which is good because it’s probably the last car she will own as she is cutting back on road trips and finally retired at age 80.
I appreciate the relative boredom of my modern car that sees the shop for scheduled maintenance and seasonal tire swaps but has never needed a repair in over 4 years. I have a 2002 Ford F150 and a couple of old motorcycles to keep me ordering parts and turning wrenches without the pressure f having to drive it to work on Monday.
For me surely the closest I came to buying an Accord (hatch though still available at the time) was in 1986 when I bought my ’86 GTi. I spent more time than I ever have looking at and test driving different models; even to the extent that I tried different classes of cars which weren’t at all similar; I think it was partly a calibration to figure out what I liked, and partly a throwback to 8 years before when I worked as a transporter for Hertz and routinely drove different cars. I test drove an Alfa Romeo GTV/6, a Toyota MR2 (if I hadn’t then I likely never would again), Honda Accord Hatch, Mazda 626, Ford Taurus MT5, and Mitsubishi Galant Sigma. I should have added Chrysler LeBaron, or even Plymouth Sundance, but never got around to those…but still have never repeated that level of shopping around. The Accord came close, but I didn’t like power windows/locks and you could only get fuel injected engine in the LXi which came with them (of course 14 years later when I bought my ’00 Golf, it had mandatory power windows/locks) but in 1986 VW still had a la carte options, and my GTi had crank windows (and crank sunroof) and unassisted steering (which I should have avoided, when I had my bicycle accident and broke collar bone and ribs the steering was a handful). Maybe my loss; I always liked midsized hatchbacks and the Accord stopped offering them a few years after I bought my GTi, probably a good reason I’ve not since considered buying a Honda.
Anyhow, I chuckle a bit since I’m contemplating buying kind of the car you have, not because I want to but more because I should…at my age, no one can drive my car (standard) and I’m in denial, I really enjoy driving it, but see the writing on the wall, my next car has to be an automatic, and likely won’t be an enjoyable drive like my present one. So I’ve kept my car longer than I probably should and have had to get things like my power steering rack replaced, new shift mechanism (I live in sunbelt and plastic bits deteriorate quickly) and some other smaller things.
It would drive me bonkers to have a car that 2nd guesses me. When I bought my current car it had the automatic locking at 10MPH that I had them turn off at the dealer.
My car goes the other way and (like a lot of VWs) has issues that would probably deter someone from stealing it. The power locks stopped working in 2/4 doors (and I’m too chicken to tear the window out to get to them, these also have notoriously bad window regulators, I’ve had the window glass fall into the door. You can’t just open 2/4 doors when you unlock them (different 2 doors than have power lock issue)…you have to press on the door to relieve tension from the latch, then you can operate the latch so it opens. I’m not alone, other people on forums have these same issues…but that’s almost the counterpoint to owning a car like the Accord. Oh, here’s another good one…at age 63 I’m well past my thumping stereo days, but the setting for “bass” on my stock radio is stuck at the highest setting….I can change the treble, balance, etc. but not the bass.
You want a car with personality, well I think I have one…though I’m not quite sure who it is.
Ergonomics were much better on the old VWs, with high mounted radio, pretty good visibility (you sat up higher in older models). They had single turn signal indicator on dash, it flashed independent of left or right position that the lever was set to..to me it worked just fine, but the “standardization” folks wanted individual signals for right and left, which my ’00 has..one more bulb to burn out in my opinion. Mine also has the city lights in the headlight enclosure which I’m too chicken to repair, since I think I’d cause the wiring to short out and cause headlights to stop (and the enclosures are expensive to replace) Also has the side marker lights that flash with the turn signals (not on the rearview mirrors like more modern cars have, mine are on the front fender like other VWs of this era). Except for windows/locks/sunroof, everything is manual, including climate control. It does have the deal where if you keep turning the lock cylinder after car is locked, it will eventually crack open the sunroof. When I first got the car I could hear the fuel pump pressurizing when I opened the driver’s door, but it has been probably 16 years since it last did that, so something changed.
So..maybe not the most reliable car (it has left me stranded, but I have owned the car 21 years, so that probably should figure into things)..but pretty durable, but is getting to be needing new timing belt (but mine doesn’t have interference engine, so it would leave me stranded but unlikely any head damage). Original clutch, but as I mentioned the gear selector cables have had to been replaced.