(First Posted November 13, 2013) Needless to say, I’m a lover of vans, especially those suitable for camping. Few things beat hopping into a vehicle with all the basic necessities of life and hitting the road. I have a vintage ’77 Dodge Chinook, bought for $1,200, in which we’ve racked up 35,000 memorable miles during trips to Mexico and all over the west. And in my younger days, I had a ‘68 Dodge A100 that I converted to a less wife-friendly (no bathroom) spartan camper. But all along, I’ve had my eyes on Mercedes vans, and I’ve run into several of these T1s hereabouts. As a kid in Austria, I was absolutely in love with its earlier and delightfully rounded L319 (van) and 0319 (bus) predecessors.
The graceful L319 appeared in 1955, and was decidedly one big step above the popular VW Transporter in terms of both size and load capacity. It was built as cargo vans, pickups and passenger buses–and essentially was the very first of the Sprinter-class vans that now dominate the market in Europe and in the U.S. They were mighty pokey, though: the diesel version used the 43 hp engine from the original 180D; later, the 65 hp gasoline 1.9 four from the 190 also became available. Top speed with the diesel? 49 mph!
But to ride (slowly) through the Alps in one of these panorama buses with the sunroof rolled back was one of the highlights of my earliest years, and I’ve been lusting after one ever since. I used to see them from time to time in the U.S., the last one a couple of years ago, before I started documenting my finds. They were a highly desirable step up from the ubiquitous VW bus for the wandering nomads so common on the West Coast during the Sixties and Seventies.
When I went back to Austria for the first time in the summer of ’69, I was an obnoxious sixteen-year-old. Probably mostly to get rid of me for a few days, my parents put me on a tourist bus from Innsbruck to Venice. Our bus was the L319’s then quite new successor, the T2, which replaced it in 1967.
Needless to say, I have some pretty vivid (and fuzzy) memories of hanging out in Venice, free as a bird. Let’s just say that my passport didn’t survive the late nights of (legally) drinking red wine with other young tourists; someone must have slipped it out of my pocket. The T2 we rode over the steep (pre-freeway) Alpine roads was only slightly faster than its predecessor–it might have had all of 55 hp by then–and there were about twelve or so people on the bus. But thankfully, the border guards at the Brenner Pass were enjoying a balmy August evening, and waved us through without the usual formalities.
The T2 series also covered a wide range of body types; there was a wonderful old ex-Feuerwehr (fire truck)-red T2, like this one, running around Eugene until last year. And when I was in San Diego in 1976, the city transit department bought a bunch for their smaller routes. They were bigger than their predecessors, and powered by those really noisy direct-injection M-B truck four-cylinder engines.
So in 1977, M-B introduced the somewhat smaller T1 series, which includes our featured blue van and this black one (the T2, now called Vario, was still being made until earlier this year, when production was finally ended). The T1 was closer to the original L319 in concept, sharing its engines with Mercedes diesel sedans like the 200 and 240D.
But plenty of the more powerful turbo-five diesels from the 300TD/SD have found their way into these, thus making them quite capable of keeping up with modern traffic.
From their matching paint jobs, and the way these two hang out together, my guess is the little Benz is the dinghy to this big Blue Bird bus. Or something like that.
Now there was a smaller predecessor to the featured T1, but it was not originally a Mercedes. Hanomag was a storied producer of cars, light trucks and tractors, and in 1965 introduced a modern van to replace the legendary Tempo (full story here). Like the Tempo, the new “Harburger” F25 was a FWD design, which allowed the load compartment floor to be very low.
Hanomag was a struggling outfit, and in 1970 it was acquired by Mercedes. The T2 had grown, creating a need in the M-B lineup for something smaller, but still a notch bigger than a VW bus. And so, the three-pointed star went on the hood and MB’s engines replaced the out-sourced Austin gas engines and Hanomag diesels.
There was a camper version, similar to this home-brew version and possibly made by Westfalia, that I used to occasionally see (and lust after) while I was on the West Coast. And if you can believe it (by now you probably do), a ratty one lived two blocks from my house until about six years ago. I actually considered buying it and fixing it up, but I decided that I really wanted to spend time on the road and not on an endless restoration project.
In 1977, Mercedes replaced the Hanomag with the T1. Mercedes designed it along the traditional RWD setup instead of FWD, and it was a popular van which made a great camper. The blue one seen here is in the beginning stages of a conversion. The T1 was made until 1995, when it was replaced by the Sprinter.
I was very excited when the Sprinter finally showed up over here a few years back, and it quickly jumped up to the top of my list of eventual replacements for the old Chinook, which gets 11 mpg on a good day. I spent time configuring the interior layout using Sportsmobile’s highly modular components. I’d quickly learned to ignore such ridiculously overpriced conversions as Airstream and the like–among other things, they’re hardly designed for genuine camping, trying instead to imitate the plush environment of a corporate jet.
Over the past few years, though, I keep hearing about very expensive maintenance and reliability issues with the complicated new diesel engines in the Sprinters, and how a very unhappy UPS returned theirs. What’s more, they don’t come cheap fully converted. So I may just keep the Chinook going–unless, of course, I happen to stumble onto a beautiful, rounded-front O319 like this gem.
I had no idea those early vans existed, they must be very rare outside the west coast. With such a distinctive look, I think I would remember it if I’d seen one. With the panorama window setup they are such obvious copies of the VW Transporter. You don’t think of Mercedes as copying Volkswagen…although their new price-leader CLA does seem similar in concept to the VW CC.
VW didn’t invent those panorama windows; they were common on tourist buses in Europe going back to the thirties.
But it’s clear that Mercedes did see a market for a van/bus one size bigger than the VW bus, given the success it was having.
Paul: What I meant was, the panorama window setup makes it look like more of a VW copy.
Johannes: Good point, so it’s really more like Mercedes copying VW copying Mercedes.
Maybe “copy” is too strong a word for all of this, it’s just easier then saying “inspired by.”
Or is the VW CC a downsized 2004 Mercedes CLS ?
In essence, the CLA is a Mercedes A-class (a compact hatchback) with a trunk.
Excellent walk through these Mercedes vans – you are the first one to guide me through this strange land. That 0319 is indeed charming – I don’t believe I have ever seen one of these before, even in pictures.
As for the newer ones, this is where I start scratching my head at the overly (to me) sharp and severe angles and creases that make up a modern European van. Even the new ones seem to retain all of the worst early-1980s styling cues that make the Ford E series look so smooth and well-sculpted.
I will admit to being intrigued by the Sprinter when it was new, as I am a van-lover myself. Not only were they horribly expensive, I heard the same service issues. I am over my Sprinter-love now. Mercedes needs to soften the edges of these – there is a lot of good stuff in that old 0319 that could be put into a modern design.
Mercedes Sprinters have a good reputation as freight vans as does VW and they are popular RV conversions here get a diesel though the gas engines are a waste of space.
What is it about women and bathrooms?
During our marriage, before her health (and later, life) went away, my wife and I were die-hard AMA Superbike (and World Superbike, and MotoGP) fans who would attend as many races as possible. Of course, the best way to do this is in either a full-blown RV, or a converted van. The latter is visualized as a more practical, more conservative version of the classic ’70’s van: Built in sleeping accomodations, hopefully a fridge, plenty of shelf and clothing storage, 120v wiring, pack a Honda EU2000i, etc. Essentially a hard tent on wheels, most everything else done outside.
The killer, however, was that the converted van would be done without bathroom facilities. Now, I’m not talking squatting behind a bush. Given that every good, professional racetrack has perfectly fine shower and sanitary facilities, usually within 300 meters of where you’ve got the van parked, the need to spend and deal with the complexity of black water, gray water, winterizing the piping, plus the expense of installing toilet facilities was completely beyond me.
To Patti: No bathroom, no deal. Period.
Unfortunately, for us, MotoGP Indianapolis in 2009 was our final trip anywhere; so nothing ever came of our search. Maggie, now, has no problem with the converted van idea. And I’m starting to think again. She’s got me going to NASCAR. Next summer she sees her first MotoGP race live.
I consider myself lucky that my wife isn’t too picky about the bathroom situation.
I find myself daydreaming about what I could cram into a Ford Transit Connect…
…And I find myself daydreaming about what I could do with a bathroom-less Saab 9000 CSE Aero with a Toppola camper, having no wife or girlfriend to deal with…
I could enjoy a Pontiac Aztek, as long as it comes with the tent option.
I know, I know, the 1977 Mercedes T1 was bigger than the 1979 VW T3. But trust me, it did EVERYTHING better. And it was just as versatile, maybe even more. The price difference was fully justified.
The bigger VW LT was actually no match for the T1 either.
Wow, that was a great walk through MB van land!
Many of these vehicles (at least the post-1970 ones) were driven by friends and family, and they were universally respected as really tough beasts. My parents had a badge-engineered MB 206D* that my dad had lovingly converted into a really neat camper; an aunt’s family had several MB T1 campers, the latter ones Westfalia conversions (sold through MB dealers). And I remember a friend’s family had an ex-postal T2: they had, what, five or six kids, and I remember that thing being positively huge. For some reason though, it seems the Sprinter hasn’t quite achieved the same level of popularity with the camper crowd; maybe it’s because of the reliability issues mentioned here, or maybe because these things have outgrown the needs of most campers. At least in Europe, it seems that where you used to see an MB T1, you’ll mostly see a VW van/bus now.
One tiny addition: about ten years after the Harburger line of vans was discontinued, MB introduced the MB100 in the late eighties, another FWD van. That thing didn’t quite live up to the reputation of its forebears though, so it’s probably best left out.
*) that was the first vehicle I ever got to drive, so I REALLY have a soft spot for those!
Looking at the photo of the T1 and the Blue Bird got me to wondering which combination would use least fuel? – the Blue Bird towing the T1 or the other way around? I imagine the T1 would have a much harder time getting the bus moving, but once under way I reckon it’d use a lot less fuel. I guess hill-climbing may be out of the question though!
I started with a 207 Diesel van when I strated my own company, a used one which did over four hundred thousand K.
Then a 208 Diesel came, also the T1 model.
Then a Sprinter 213, which did half a million k but, no Benz for me anymore.
The Sprinter’s suffered from expensive repairs and the bodywork, hinges and everything that made the T1 such a great van have disappeared, the advantage of a Benz van always was that the Benz was a small truck less a modified passenger car (like the competitors made),
The T1 simply was in a league of its own, many a wheeler dealer still drive T1’s to haul cars, intead of Sprinters, and these guys know their cars !
And the competition has crept closer and closer to Mercedes Benz
We now have had Renaults for years, as good as a Benz, cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, better fuel economy, less quick (thank God for that) and the bodywork of Renault is better then the Sprinters today.
Oh and a much, more more friendly dealer who really is there for you instead of you being there for him !
When I sold the family homestead a few years back we had to clean up the back woods behind the house. Among generations of old lawn mowers, motorbikes, rotten mini bits we pulled out a 68-69 suburban and a Mercedes 0319 like the one in the last pics but with the panoramic roof glass. It was even painted in similar colours. It was used as a book mobile and still had the racking system that still had books in them. My grandfather had bought it at auction and was going to convert it too a camper but his eyesight was deteriorating rapidly.
Back in the early ’70s, my university used a Mercedes Benz shuttle bus between its two campuses in Ottawa, similar to the white over red 309 pictured above. Since the remote campus was close to where I lived, I was a regular passenger. I don’t recall seeing any other MB buses or vans at the time, so this was a unique experience.
It was indeed very slow, especially when every available standing space was filled. I still remember the diesel clatter, the panoramic windows, and the very high quality interior appointments.
I owned that blue van for about 8 years.I’m glad to see the roof rack and ladder are still part of the package…looks like you have re-done the inside.
I flew into Santa Barbara and bought it from the German couple that brought it over.I think I bought it for $7500 and sold it for about the same I got a guy in Mexico to weld the rack and I put the mahogany on. I wish I still had it…there are a few that still come up on craigs list cheers! Jim
I remember riding in an L319 van in Turkey, quite popular there for mini bus service.I like the headlights shared with VWs of that era. I now drive a 2008 Sprinter delivery van at work.
Since I was a kid, I have always been fascinated by German engineering. I have owned and restored several Volkswagens over the years. In my 42 yrs, I have never seen one of these 0319 buses before. Just recently, I stumbled upon a 1963 0319 Bus in Santa Barbara California.The owner parked it 30 yrs ago after the steering box went out. It took him 5 yrs to find a replacement, but after fixing it, he never drove it again. He parked it out back and used it as a backdrop for his plants. It had been converted to a Camper with a Toyota Engine and I immediately had to have it. Now, unfortunately, I just don’t have the time to restore it….but I don’t want to let it go. If anybody is interested, please E-Mail me.
Dear Kevin,
I would be highly intersted in buying Your Mercedes 319, considering that I own a 319 fire engine with all the needed parts to bring it on the road again,
Does it have a valid title ? Supposingly I have to tow it away ?
Best regards,
Hans
Hey Hans,
Thank you for your interest in the 319. Since I posted this, I have had a ton of interest….Currently, the vehicle is having it’s engine restarted after 30 yrs of down time. It has a Toyota 20R with a Weber 40 on it. It’s really cool. The Dual Gas Tanks smell like Paint thinner, so my mechanic is going to gravity feed the carburator. All in all, the Bus is solid. As far as wanting to sell it….I’d have to say that I’m on the fence right now. If you were to make me an offer…what would it be. Honestly, after researching these, I don’t have a clue how much it’s worth in this condition. My goal is to get it running and take it to the Course de Elegance at Laguna Lake in July. It’s being entered as a Barn Find.
Regards,
Kevin
I have recently come across a T1 240 D 207D Mercedes ( same as the first picture shown above) and am in need of some parts. Does anyone know where I can find parts- breaks, speedometer cable defroster fan/motor, and if required other parts?
Information is much appreciated?
Greetings, friends.
Does anyone know of resources to locate these used old Mercedes vans in the US? I’m not even sure how to find the various mode numbers to use for googling.
Many Thanks!
Came across this. Enjoy!
I owned a 1987 Mercedes 307D. Quite frankly it’s amazing that these things stayed in production as long as they did, they are frankly dreadful contraptions to drive and rust buckets to boot. Arm wrenchingly heavy steering, a gear stick you had to reach over to try and find and less power than a battery milk float.
A 3 ton van, with all of 67 bhp.
Mine was a camper van. You’d need a holiday just to recover from driving the damn thing, long journeys were best undertaken giving yourself plenty of time. On the flat, it would reach 70 mph but it sounded like the con rods were going to make a bid for escape at any second, and you soon settled down to its happy cruising speed of 62.5 mph. Safe in the knowledge that next steep hill would see you being overtaken by heavy haulage lorries.
In their defence, it would do an easy 25-30 mpg, and the engine would long outlast the body of the vans. The 2.4d engine is so unstressed they just keep going. But that was never in any doubt. Next to a transit, a Bremen van is the masochistic option.
I end up purchasing the o319 Mercedes bus that Kevin had although I didn’t purchase it from Kevin. In the process of finding Parts I came across one that was at the seaport ready to be shipped back to Germany. After a week I was finally able to convince the German owner to sell it to me. Now I’m in the process of restoring two of these buses simultaneously. My goal is to start a wine tour business. Otherwise they will just be awesome to have and drive.
After 4 years of enjoying everything about our 309D 5 cylinder 3 Liter (non-turbo) diesel Westfalia, my son and are selling it on Craigslist. Well kept and in very good mechanical condition but needing new e-brake pads (or cable?)
I had a few vintage MB Bus die casts as a kid. Corgi sold this well constructed school bus.
And Playart offered several variations as police vans and ambulances. The castings of these were slightly more crude, but still looked good.
“(First Posted November 13, 2013)” And 6 years later, you now have a Fiat Ducato built in Mexico with a RAM emblem and a Chrysler minivan engine & transmission.
From the front doors & rearward, the Hanomag F25 really DOES look like a VW Microbus. There’s no denying the resemblance.
I believe I had (& may still have) one of the 207D vans as a toy ambulance made by Maisto. These vans are boxes on wheels–LITERALLY!
The University of California Berkeley used a small fleet of T2 0309D buses as shuttles from the BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station to campus in the mid-1970s. They also drove to the Lawrence Hall of Science, 3 miles up a fairly steep road, pedal to the metal the whole way. There was a contest to name the shuttle service, the winner … Humphrey Go-Bart … Could not find a photo online, but very similar to this one, which has been featured on some popular websites.
Cohort Effect. I saw the fire brigade T1 repurposed as a Mobile Museum of Nonsense Art® parked on the street in Munich other day.