(first posted 6/20/2011)
The Peugeot 505 wagon marks the end of an extraordinary series of vehicles, the last of its kind. For almost fifty years (full history here), Peugeot built an evolving family of purpose built wagons (and light trucks) that had no equal anywhere. They may have shared the distinctive X0X nomenclature of their corresponding-numbered sedan versions, but were substantially different vehicles from the windshield back.
With the disappearance of the 505 in 1992, a whole genre of vehicles died: the extended-length high-capacity RWD wagon. What killed them off? The mini-van, which certainly has its advantages, as well as a growing taste in Europe for sedan-based wagons. But for hard core wagon fans, the world will never be quite the same. Hail the last of The World’s Greatest Wagons.
The justification of the immodest title bestowed on this series of wagons is fully justified (hopefully) in the companion History piece. So we’ll stick to the 505’s role as the ultimate expression of them. And we won’t even touch the 505 sedan, which will get its own CC, given how different it was in construction as well as the driving experience.
As a former 404 wagon (and sedan) owner, I’m hardly impartial about my love for these big wagons. But I will admit to being personally less familiar, and even a hair less enthusiastic about the 505 than its illustrious predecessors. Let’s just say that a new eight-seat 505 SW8 wagon was not on the radar when we bought our Grand Caravan in 1992, and not just because Peugeot had abandoned the American market the year before. The mini-van’s arrival in 1984 swamped the big wagon market, which led Peugeot to finally offer the three-seat version for the first time ever in the US (why??), but it was too late to stem the tide, not that Peugeot wagons really ever were that popular here. But that’s doesn’t fully explain my hesitancy.
For that matter, I never really considered a new 504 either when we bought a Cherokee in 1985. In retrospect, I sometimes regret that, but the 504 diesels were just too noisy and slow. And in 1984, diesels were just about the only choice in CA-bound wagons.
What had drawn me to the 404 in the first place was its mechanical simplicity and easy to fix nature, contrary to the image all French cars are sullied with in the US. Well, that and the fact that I picked ours up for $75! And although the later Peugeot wagons (and sedans) continued to be built on superb chassis with suspensions unparalleled in terms of comfort combined with load capacity, the adaptations required to meet US-specific regulations as well as just the inevitable increase in complexity and electronics all cars were much more of a challenge for Peugeot than most other makers (Japanese, in particular)
It was the peripherals, mostly, that made the later Pugs decidedly more challenging, as well as contributing further to that Made In France rep. A big part was the ability to understand properly what the specific issues were, and how to treat them; not a common occurrence with Peugeot’s thin and shaky dealer network. In a way that’s always been the case with Peugeots here, and why I could pick up ten year-old 404s back in the day for next to nothing (or actually nothing): American aversion to the unfamiliar. The result today is the same as it was then with the 404; the remaining 505s are all in the hands of Pugeophiles. Except 404s didn’t have ABS, four-speed automatics, air conditioning, and a raft of other “potential problems”.
This one’s owner, is a carpenter and a confirmed 505 wagon adherent, thanks in part to their roomy cargo bay. I’d seen him driving another one before I ran into him a while back with this one. The prior one developed some serious mechanical malady (I’ve forgotten exactly). But then I ran into him again at the hardware store just the other day, and he was driving a different one yet. Our featured 505 was hit, but its transmission went into his latest love. At the rate he’s going, he’s going to exhaust the supply of available 505 wagons by himself, and quickly.
The real asset of the 505 wagon (and all Pug wagons) is their extra-long (114.2″) wheelbase and unique four-coil solid rear axle suspension (sedans had IRS). That gave them a phenomenal 1265 pound rated load capacity (slightly more than my F-100), without compromising that famous French ride in the least. And if it was anything like my 404 wagon, the directional stability of these wagons is superb, to the point of not really being all too happy about changing direction from the straight and true. Sport wagons these were not, even the turbo versions.
It’s what separates the Peugeot wagons from the contemporary Volvos, which were built on the same platform as their respective sedans. As roomy as the Volvos could be, they were just not in the same class as a Peugeot, but a Volvo 740 turbo felt like a sports car compared to a 505. It’s also what made the Peugeot wagons irrelevant: in Europe, wagons increasingly became the preferred body style for middle-class family cars, instead of the utility work horses they had once been. And genuine light trucks and vans took over the Peugeot’s utility role. In the US, big wagons were in terminal decline anyway.
The 505 wagons were powered by no less than four completely distinct engine families, which is a bit confusing even to me. And a bit disappointing, since the later two gas engines aren’t even Peugeot engines, strictly speaking. Through 1985, gas 505s used the familiar XN-series engine that first appeared in the 404 back in 1961. American versions had the final 1971 cc version, with fuel injection, but it wasn’t exactly brimming with power given the wagon’s size and capacity, especially in terms of the increased power expectations of the mid-eighties. That’s an understatement, all the more so with an automatic and A/C.
So beginning in 1987, two other gas fours replaced the familiar XN, whose roots go back to 1948, the first modern Peugeot four with the classic iron-block pushrod aluminum hemi-head configuration. I admit to being a bit disappointed when I lift the hood on the later 505s, and didn’t even bother with this one.
This one’s not a turbo, so it has the “Douvrin” 2.2 L SOHC four, built at the Peugeot-Renault joint venture plant that also built the PRV V6. The 2DJL engine was used heavily by Renault, and found its way to the US also via the Eagle Medallion and Winnebago LeSharo. It has a rep for actually being a pretty tough mill.
And the 505 turbo versions used a totally different motor, what is called the Simca 180 engine, (N9T) which PSA inherited from their purchase of Chrysler’s European ops, including Simca and Rootes (Hillman, etc.). I can only assume that it must have been a tough unit too, at least after a decade or so of development, to be the engine of choice for Peugeot’s turbo program. Or maybe they needed to do something with that orphaned engine.
Needless to say, Peugeot’s diesel engines went into a fair number of 505s, although not nearly as many as the 504 wagon, which was predominantly diesel, if not exclusively so, some years, like most Mercedes of the times. But by the mid-late eighties, the diesel boom was over, and even turbocharging couldn’t catch American’s eyes or wallets anymore. And although Peugeot’s diesels were tough, and had nothing in common with the gas engines, their noise and vibration levels were hard to bear.
As much fondness as I have for all Peugeot’s classic big wagons, the 505 somehow moves me the least of all of them. Maybe because it was a concept whose time had obviously already passed, or the fact that the 505 was trying too hard to be something it wasn’t, with the turbo version and its sleek styling. Its design and interior lacks the quirkiness of the 504, or sleek elegance of the 404. The 504 was undoubtedly the ultimate of the family, with its camel-back raised rear roof and utterly uncompromising looks. But seeing this 505 and the one or two other 505 wagons around town never fails to make my heart jump a bit; I hope the owner of this one keeps finding replacements for a long time to come.
[I’m guessing at the exact year of this 505]
Ok, I’ll be the first commenter. Since I’ve never driven or even ridden in a Peugeot my closest association with the name is that my sister-in-law once had a Peugeot bicycle. But I have to know what’s up with the crazy-painted house with the gas-station flags.
The car doesn’t do it for me either, Paul, except I like the idea of a LWB wagon. Actually, I like a LWB anything…Lincolns, pickup trucks. What about a Malibu Maxx? Except for being hideous and cheap looking, that looks like a pretty handy car.
Anyway, nevermind the cars…what a great dog in these pictures! So photogenic!
What a great looking dog. I suppose if I owned a cavernous station wagon like that, I’d want a friend to share it with.
My university girlfriend had a 505 sedan, a 1980 model if memory serves me correctly. Also being a Peugeot, it cost next to nothing. In Canada, the car was different than the USA model. It had the pushrod 2 litre and an automatic transmission. What impressed me about this car was the solidity. It was built like a train; very solid and not a rattle or a squeak. The car rode serenely and felt unflappable. We had it two years and never had any serious problems with it. While no race car, it was perfectly capable of what we asked of it and returned decent gas mileage. It was, however, not as nice as a 504; the interior of the 505 was no match for a 504. Also, the 504 felt even more solid and it was proudly, weirdly French. Yes, the diesel took a little getting used to but the torque with a found speed manual was truly in the stump pulling class!
The link at the top of the piece to the Peugeot wagon history doesn’t seem to be alive, which will preserve what’s left of my Monday-morning productivity. But to whet appetites here’s a picture of the Dangel 4×4 conversion of the 505 …
I’m finishing it right now. Warning: it’s long!
Wrap it Ill take it
Ahh, I found one of these last year and wrote an article on it (http://studentwheels.wordpress.com/2010/10/23/the-old-curiosity-shoppe/) Interesting cars…I hadn’t realized the wagon was so different from the sedan.
It took one more model to build the XUD engine the worlds best car diesel engine its still in production though heavily modified the 405 had its early versions and PSA diesels are the default engines for modern car makers all over the world BMW Ford Jaguar Range Rover all use Peugeot diesel engines as have Suzuki, Lada andToyota at one point licenced something diesel from PSA but of course these cars are FWD but the best handling FWD you can get.
I didn’t know Peugeot used the four-spring rear suspension. It’s not quite unique — most Jaguars from the 1963 Mk X to the XJ40 had four coils in back (although they had four shocks, as well — coilovers), but it is certainly interesting.
but Jags were independant rear susp open diff type these had a solid axle
“Its design and interior lacks the quirkiness of the 504”
I think that’s exactly it. The 504, with its ignition on the right of the column, the turn signal on the left, the horn on the turn signal, and the distinctive grill (and rear for the sedan) felt foreign and exotic at a time when different and foreign weren’t bad things. I loved the looks of the 504 in the late 70s but recall feeling very ambivalent about the 505- it looked pretty much like most other cars and the Pininfarina design cues were all but gone. It’s easier to love quirky.
SCO, feeling ambivalent about the 505 and the styling cues from Pininfarina almost non existent is true. But hey, when your on the inside, everyone sees you as being quirky!
Drive mine everyday to get me some of that!
Loved my 404 in high school. It was the only Peugeot in the parking lot. Dark blue on the outside and red leather on the inside. A nail held the column shifter together.
I remember this car being driven by Glenn Close in “The Jagged Edge”.
I don’t care what anybody says about Peugeots, I love them. They’re different, solid, and reliable. After owning more than a dozen of them, I bought a 20 year old 505 V6. Without doing anything to it, I drove it 5500 kms to Mexico, and five years later, it’s still my daily driver. Not many people can say that about their 24 year-old car!
I have a 1986 505 (N9T) Wagon. It’s not as indestructible as my old pushrod hemi & 5-speed 1983 505 STI (sedan), and doesn’t obliterate road imperfections as well, but it sure can carry a huge load! With the front seats forward to the stops, there’s over 7 feet clear to the tailgate, for 92 cubic feet (plus under-seat storage). Water heaters? Phone booths? Entire dining room sets? Gulp! All that in a 3400 lb vehicle that rides and handles like a car that can park in normal spaces (and pull a 2800 lb trailer).
For a bathroom remodel, I needed to pick up the tiles. So, how much do these (wooden) crates weigh? That comes to, oh, less than 1,000 pounds? No problem! Driving away from the loading dock attended by massive pickup trucks In a luxurious leather-interior cruiser was delightful.
Alas, these didn’t come with the V6 and 5-speed, but I’ve found nothing to surpass them!
How do you know those massive pickup trucks did not have luxurious leather interiors? With all the bling on trucks these days, it is par for the course. 🙂
The pickups may have luxurious leather interiors, but they certainly don’t have the Peugeot’s suspension, steering, or handling – guaranteed!
Au contraire.. I had a 1992 505 DL wagon.. with a 5 speed. I got it cheap as nobody wanted a 5 speed wagon.. and it served me well.
This is an interesting thread. I have owned Peugeot 5 series cars continuously since 1979. I previously had a 404 and a 504 wagon. Lest you think I am crazy about Peugeots, rest assured that I think they have produced a number of very mediocre cars over the years, cars that I would never buy. I just wouldn’t put the 404, the 504 or IMHO, their best car, the 505 in that category. The Good Lord decided to make me 6′ 3″ and I hit that height at about the age of 18. The 404 and the five series cars fit my frame like a glove. Ergonomics are nigh on perfect. Chassis and mechanical engineering is excellent. Thanks to the Italian flair for classic style (aka Pininfarina) the styling never ages. ( I can say the same for the Fiat 124 Spyder – and I loath sports cars!) They have been remarkably reliable (with a few exceptions) and are fearless in the worst weather imaginable, including very cold starts, deep snow and treacherous ice. They have excellent road manners and are very spacious for their size, the wagon especially.
Since 1982, I have had every type of 505 except a diesel powered one. (Not by choice, only because I could not find one.) Sedans and wagons, automatics and manuals, four bangers, turbos, V6s, leather, cloth, you name it. They were all exceptional vehicles in almost every respect. Yes, they had their faults and each one of them put me on the side of the road at least once in 30 years, but those were few and easily forgotten when, after every trip, you left the car with a smile on your face and often turned your head to look back at it. No, I don’t worship my 505s, they are man-made pieces of metal, plastic and rubber, but I do appreciate them.
With my current fleet about 26 years old, and with about 5 more years life left in them under Canadian winter/salt conditions, I have been looking for a suitable replacement if and when they ever die. I will not look forward to that day, for they are old friends and almost part of the family. Acceptable replacements are very few especially a replacement for the formidable 505 wagon. Sedan-wise, the new Passat TDI and the Camry SE/Hybrid are the only cars on my short list at the moment, each with serious reservations. The Peugeot 508, which is available only in Europe, looks promising, but alas, even it lacks some of the endearing qualities of the 505 – perfect sight lines and in the wagon, uncompromised utility.
The 505 – one of the best kept automotive secrets in North America.
Greetings from another Peugeot 505 enthusiast. I’d like to know if you still have your car?
Would be happy to contact you from Australia.
I never had a wagon, but I owned a 1982 505S turbodiesel. The seats were like nothing I have experienced before or since. They were very comfortable for long trips. Speaking of long trips, I’m sure it was amusing to more than a few people along the route to see the Pug in amongst the 18-wheelers at the truck stops when I refueled. I loved the way the car rode and handled. Minuses – the air conditioner was very weak, and it didn’t have a great climate control system. If the light bulbs went out in the toggle switches for the windows and various other things (as they frequently did), replacements were about $1.25 each at the dealer (while I still had one to patronize).
It was quirky, yes, but it was worth the tradeoff. I hated to part with it, but with Peugeot parts never plentiful in the US to begin with, the withdrawal of Peugeot from the US market all but cut them off. Had the internet been around back then, it wouldn’t have been as big of a deal.
Here’s a pretty recent craigslist post of a well maintained 505 sedan http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/3778688411.html . If I had $2,500 laying around for fun, this would definitely wet my whistle. Especially since it’s a 5 speed.
In 2000 I bought a Peugeot 505 Grand Rallye sedan,2 litre carb engine and 5 speed manual.Had owned some very nice 404 sedans and utes previously.At 70 miles per hour the 505 was almost whisper quiet and when travelling big distances across Australia I would stop to rest and recline the supremely comfortable seats for a sound sleep.Many Peugeot owners said that increasing the engine size from the 404’s 1.6 litre to the 505’s 2 litre was a step too far,they were prone to blowing head gaskets.The bonnet, or hood in USA terms, was so heavy to lift it was a two handed job.Still see 505 sedan and wagons in Tasmania and on the large island,saw one just yesterday and admired its chic lines.In Australia we had the French headlights which made the Peugs look much more elegant than the USA versions.Still I liked the 404s the most and my 1963 Fiat 600D Multipla I owned at the same time.
I followed a diesel 504 up Davey st and then up the southern outlet at the 80kmh speed limit one afternoon I was in my 2.6L Toyota MK2 yet people think those Pug diesels are slow, the certainly pull ok on steep climbs. Ive never been held up by one could it be stupidity of the drivers trying to rev the engine thinking that will make it go faster instead of simply changing up and letting the torque do its job?
I wants bay Peugeot station Wagon.
When we lived in Istanbul, Peugeots and Volkswagens seemed to be the most popular with Americans living there. Had they set up strong and lasting dealerships here in the states, they’d be popular here too. I remember my dad was thinking about a Peugeot before we moved back to Istanbul. He remembered seeing a dealer in AZ earlier, but drove by to find that it was no longer there. So we settled for a VW Squareback. But I think a 71 Peugeot 504 wagon would have been cool with three rows of seats, had it been available here that way. No chance of sitting next to my sister, who I despised at the time. Dad could have bought a 504 in Europe , a better deal ,but he didn’t want to wait till then.
Paul. this was my car and my dog. i don’t think i ever saw these pictures until about a week ago. i had driven across the country in a 1985 505 S, gas 2 liter engine, and stopped to visit a friend in madison, wis. he look into peugeots after i left and told me about finding your website and finding a car with a dog in it. i found it and wrote back that it was indeed mine. the car was in an accident, although damaged, i drove away and the other two cars were towed. it was not my fault, but one car hit me and drove me into another, which i t-boned. my dog is also gone, after thirteen years. your picture will be one of the best i ever had of him. thank you, on behalf of my self, my dog, and my car. barry wolff
Such magnificent cars, supremely comfortable and nowadays certainly unique here in the US. The beauty of them, at least compared to equivalent Merc wagons is that for less money (today certainly) than a W124, you can get something rare as hens’ teeth, safe and realiable and functional. Perhaps I’m biased but I have an ’89 505 turbo SW8 in m stable and it’s without question one of the most comfortable long distance cars I’ve ever owned, second only to my [gone but not forgotten] Jaguar XJR.
I will admit that I’ve been toying with the idea of driving my Citroën DS21 daily and selling the 505 (which would also come with a second ’89 turbo sedan parts car that’s complete and runs and drives but is too cosmetically tatty to fix up), so if anyone fancies putting a late turbo Pug in their garage and has $5K to part with, shoot me a note at QV5000 “at” gmail “dot” com
2015 still don’t plan to let go my 505 evolution in fact i want to up grade it, this car is truly amazing. just take it on along distance drive and that’s when you will know it true potentials. i have covered a distance of 700 km in just 5hours and the car just want more. with just 2.0 liter engine it gives you the impression of a bigger version and it takes anything you trow at it including the kitchen sink
I’ve always found the Peugeot 505 to be the best looking Peugeot. One thing I would’ve appreciated was the option of a turbo diesel engine, preferably a Mercedes-Benz turbo diesel.
The turbo diesel was available, but obviously not one by Mercedes.
At least in my parents’ case the relative sportiness was one of the things that caused them to choose Volvo after Peugeot back in late eighties New England—my father had lived in France and even before that family and friends were Peugeot buyers, so now that my parents were starting a family a Peugeot wagon seemed the right choice. But they were starting to get worried about whether Peugeot would be around for much longer, and decided to test drive a Volvo. And my Dad in particular was surprised by how much fun it was compared to the Peugeot, even in non-turbo form.
(Epilogue: like many former Volvo/Peugeot cross shoppers my parents drive Subarus now).
I just want to say what a beautiful Golden sitting there! Best dogs there are!
I seriously hope I will get to drive or ride in one of “The World’s Greatest Wagons”. When and where is the next Peugeot meet?
My father had a 1.8 L auto sedan, a model not offered anywhere other than in Israel I believe due to the local car tax system (anything over 1.8 L carried a premium). It was excruciatingly slow; in fact, it was dangerous as any overhauling could be one’s last if one did not not plan ahead, that is, w e l l ahead. With the aircon on it was down to almost truck-like performance. The handling I cannot say much about – with the speeds one reached, it was hardly of the essence. It was comfortable but in a car like this this was yet another safety hazard on a long drive as it was sleep inducing. In the end even my father (who on principle bought the smallest engined cars available from a given manufacturer) admitted it did not have sufficient power; for his next Peugeot (a 405) he went for the 2 L engine, thank goodness. Years later I had the experience of driving a European spec STX with the last version of the V6 PRV and a 5sp manual, and it was a different car altogether, one I would gladly have as an everyday car…
Sigh, yes. The American different-but-not-better regulations that required, amongst other things, replacing the shapely aero headlamps with sealed beams in plastic bezels. 🙁 At least this disfigurement wasn’t nearly as hideous as what was inflicted on the Citroën DS.
I’m not sure that’s the totality of the US reputation French cars have (er, had). They weren’t just regarded as impossible to fix by dint of uniquely French engineering philosophy and assembly techniques, but also as needing a lot of fixing. You’ll probably wanna smack me for this, Paul, but I can’t resist quipping the Americans call this bodystyle a “station wagon” because its original purpose was for taking people to and from a train station or the like. The Brits call it an “estate car” because it’s useful if you have a large estate. The Germans call it a “Kombi” because it’s a combination passenger/cargo vehicle. And the French call it a “break” because of truth-in-advertising laws. ;-P
The market died
The station wagon became fashionable, life style with useless roofrails.
So Joe the plumber bougt a C15 Citroen van and something smart for the week end!
I had a 504 Diesel estate (Break) and it just went and went and went.
Biblical reliability, strong solid and with a fully loaded trailer you’d never had to worry the heavy trailer would take control!
Ow how things changed when my boss listened to the lease company and we were stuck with Opel Rekord Diesel estates.
One collegue spun on the autobahn, the heavily loaded trailer TOOK CONTROL, Opel totalled!
We ate clutches and rear diffs, the Opels simply were not tough enough.
Yes the Peugeot bodies were flimsy compared to the Opel, but technically the Opels could not live in the shadow of the Peugeot!
Remember, all major European ports were our home we did very long hauls and we simply could not afford any breakdowns
The Opels were simply not up to the job mechanically and the leasing company never made a penny on the Opels !
The boss took revenge by giving us the Citroen c35 vans, which had the high pressue disc brakes of the big Citroens.
Slow deadslow but actually very comfortable for a van but the body panels were paper thin (this was the successor if Citroen’s famous HY van)
White Puegeot 505 wagon with blue leather interior with Oregon plates. I think that my grandfather very likely bought this car brand new!
Even Peugeot finally gave up on three row wagons in the new century the 406 like I had was their last both it and the 405 FWD models came with seven seat options, the third row folds out of the sparewheel tray complete with seat belts its really only suitable for children though, near fist fights erupting when I used to do school trip transport with my wagon the third row being firm favourite. Great wagon roomy and comfortable fast and economical with 2.1L turbo diesel and 5 speed I’d have another in a heartbeat.
Peugeot stopped offering three rows on their large wagons, but the 307/308 kept three rows until 2014 – our current 2014 308 SW has three rows. Not suitable for adults or indeed anyone with legs of course, but still three rows! The 308 is actually bigger inside than our current 2016 508 RXH wagon, which despite being much bigger externally has a tiny boot which doesn’t have room for a spare wheel, let alone a third row…
I keep looking at 308 estates on trademe as a replacement for myC5 but currently will fix the Citroen for another WOF and keep driving it, theres no trade in value left in it but lots of kms still to use.
The 308 SW is quite under-rated really, the 2.0HDI is amazing, as you’d know from your C5, and the boot is huge. Bought ours off Trade Me last year, $7k, sight unseen. We and the dealer thought it was a standard 308, but when it arrived it turned out to be a special order NZ-new one with every option ticked, including heated electric seats, satnav and built-in phone. Also turned out to have had one owner from new, 160,000km and full service history with all records in the glovebox. The satnav/CD/radio was dead, but I got a software disc from eBay and bingo, all works like new now. Mind you, the maps are from 2011 and there’s no update available, but they’re still good enough!
One place where the 504 wagon will be running for many years to come – Egypt. I lived and worked there from 2005-09. The Peugeot 504 wagon was the most common inter-city taxi on the Cairo-Alexandria route. I often saw them with every seat occupied by an adult passenger, babies and kids stuffed wherever, and the roof rack piled incredibly high with luggage. An awesome sight. Well, until one wrecked, which was sadly common.
One morning we had to stop at a roadside garage to fix a tire. The back lot of the garage was dead 504 wagons almost as far as the eye could see. Some had already been conveniently sectioned thru the middle. So if you had a rear or front-end collision, just cut off the old and weld in the new!
I lived in Alexandria and often took a 504 “tourist cab” around the city. They were very comfortable, despite the “upright” seat. Certainly comfortable compared to the most common Alexandria taxi. That would be an ancient Russian Lada with Flintstone Floors and parts corroding off at random. Many Ladas still had a cast-iron, knee-cracking Russian taxi meter bolted under the dashboard with Cyrillic lettering. None of those meters had worked since the Breshnev Era.
Re. the turbo engine option you describe as the SIMCA 180, yes this was the original 1.8L which was then bored to 2.0L and finally stroked to 2.2L as used in normally aspirated form in the Talbot Tagora saloon , which also shared front suspension units and rear IRS axle with the 505 .The Tagora had a larger wider body which overhung the rear wheels noticeably. The TAGORA never received the turbo version of its ‘own’ engine in lhd versions , and rhd fitting was not possible due to layout.
I drove this model for 8 years. I could take wife and 3 kids and mother in law plus luggage fishing gear and food for 2;weeks holiday. Best car ever for me
Best regards Poul
The game changer in favour of the 505 Family vs the CX Familiale and the 504 Family was that the second row of seats folded down – on the others they were fixed and just tilted for access to the third row – so it was useful as a load carrier not just a people carrier. That sealed the deal for a couple of families we knew to move from a Rancho or Volvo with a rear-facing third row. But as people’s expectations and wallets grew, the fact that Peugeot didn’t make a more luxurious/faster version with the 2.2 (in the U.K.) or V6 engines meant they drifted back to Volvo 740/760s or Merc W124s if they hadn’t gone the people-carrier route.
The 505 wagon only had one coil spring per side on the rear, unlike the 504 and 404.